Is Lance Armstrong now a toxic brand?

Is Armstrong now taking mushrooms?

A spokesman for the USADA said that Armstrong’s res/ponse was predictable, but conceded : “He is phenomenal at taking drugs.” 

Keir!  All right fella!

An excellent contribution to the debate, which I've just borrowed. 

Thanks PB. Always nice to add some intellectual comment to the debate.

On a more serious note - look at this to see how Wiggin's comments vary to the standard 'I've never tested positive' response to the doping question.

Joolska wrote (see)

Just read the first half of the 200 pages.  Pretty depressing stuff.  I really hope we are now in a new era of predominantly clean cycling.  As has already been said, if someone like Wiggo or Cav turns out to have been doping, it will be disastrous for the sport.  And it makes you pray that the testing regime for endurance running is up to scratch!

A few people have said this...  but I'm not sure it's a good argument.  Surely after a litany of drugs debacles in the eighties and nineties - then people must have been saying "wow, pretty depressing stuff. If it ever turned out that Lance Armstong has been doping, that would be the end"

Ha...  was just reading a bit on drugs cheating..  and came across a story from 1984 that made me laugh.  Where an Irish rider sneakily avoided the drugs testers by submitting a mechanic's urine instead of his own.  But unfortunately, the mechanic had been forced to work long hours, and had been taking banned stimulants to keep himself awake  

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/results/1999/may99/may20.shtml

Keir wrote (see)

Thanks PB. Always nice to add some intellectual comment to the debate.

On a more serious note - look at this to see how Wiggin's comments vary to the standard 'I've never tested positive' response to the doping question.

That's a great article, thanks for posting the link! My favourite part:

"I am not willing to risk all those things I've got in my life. I do it because I love it. I don't do it for a power trip... What I love is doing my best and working hard. If I felt I had to take drugs, I would rather stop tomorrow, go and ride club 10-mile time trials, ride to the cafe on Sundays, and work in Tesco stacking shelves."

Does anyone know who will get the TdF titles if the UCI accept the USADA report?

Jan Ullrich was the next best rider in many tours, but he's also been discredited for doping and stripped of his palmeres. Floyd Landis etc were also discredited/banned in that period.

Will the TdF record book just have a blank for the whole of the "noughties"? 

It's not just the TDF either is it; the whole pro cycling scene and races that have been affected. Will they just wipe out all results ?

Why not just inject a syringe shaped astrix next to each result?

xine267 wrote (see)

That's a great article, thanks for posting the link! My favourite part:

"I am not willing to risk all those things I've got in my life. I do it because I love it. I don't do it for a power trip... What I love is doing my best and working hard. If I felt I had to take drugs, I would rather stop tomorrow, go and ride club 10-mile time trials, ride to the cafe on Sundays, and work in Tesco stacking shelves."

As if! Does he really believe that he could repeatedly lift 5kg boxes of washing powder up to chest height without his matchstick arms snapping?

Maybe he is taking some drugs to make his arms stronger ?

PhilPub wrote (see)

...I'm not a violent man but I've got as far as p157 and I want to punch Lance Armstrong in the face.

As you were...

Just got to that page (resisted temptation to skip ahead after you mentioned it!) ... what a complete **** !!

I'm surprised that no-one brought harassment charges against him.

Here is another ex-team mates views - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-2216492/Lance-Armstrong-latest-Brian-Smith-told-cyclist-hed-drugs-sacked.html

carterusm wrote (see)

It's not just the TDF either is it; the whole pro cycling scene and races that have been affected. Will they just wipe out all results ?

I think it's kind of an irrelevant question. How can anyone talk about the competitions in those periods which were totally skewed by doping enhanced riders, and expect there to be a legitimate and meaningful outcome? If you were a non-doper, you may have bust a gut on a mountain climb to stay within 5 minutes of the #KingoftheDopers and totally compromised yourself for the coming 3-4 days. If you had been racing on a level playing field, that probably wouldn't have happened. Those dopers changed the whole nature of the events so none of the results are valid.

Who cares what happened in 2003 TDF? You never hear Andy Schleck referring to himself as the Winner of the 2010 TDF because of the Chlenbuterol Kid! Surely all effort has to be directed and ridding the sport of these cheaters - riders, managers, "doctors" and organisers - so it can have a credible future.

I'm so gutted too :-/. I read books about him and really looked up to him.

he was the best

he is still the best

they never found drags in his blad in eney test they made

its all wich hunting

yoel yavnieli wrote (see)

he was the best

he is still the best

they never found drags in his blad in eney test they made

its all wich hunting

Have you got all his drags in your blad?

yoel yavnieli wrote (see)

he was the best

he is still the best

they never found drags in his blad in eney test they made

its all wich hunting

What sort of prick are you? Clearly you are the spokesman for Nike's marketing department. I have the impression you misguided oafs think you can repackage the Armstrong brand the way you did with Tiger Woods. Well it won't work. Woods bashed a fire hydrant running away from his missus. Armstrong just bashed himself.

what about bolt,ronaldo,all the 100 meter runners are they clean?

tell me does eney bodey have sample

with drug?

or you just belive what they want you to belive.

when you get asmple let me see