Is Lance Armstrong now a toxic brand?

1000 pages of evidence that he was The King of Doping

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12/10/2012 at 21:38
I suppose you think Jimmy Saville was a saint as well.
12/10/2012 at 22:18
Yes he did contest them for years, I agree. Funny though isn't it that he stopped contesting just before this lot came out?
12/10/2012 at 23:31

hes full of shit,he was a good actor always playing the victim against the french who all along were right.

14/10/2012 at 14:58

Can't tell if Yoel is a troll or a 'believer' but either way, it doesn't change anything. LA did fail tests, at least twice. The testing protocol was in and of itself flawed in that riders could simply hide from testers and get away with being doped. Oftentimes they were notified when testers were coming so wouldn't dope. They also knew how much leeway was in the tests themselves so could still dope at smaller dosages and be within the limits. So the flawed testing system let everyone down by not identifying cheating. Which is the not the same thing as saying - because the tests never caught me, this is proof I never cheated. That assertion is based on the wrong assumption that the tests were effective.

I see now that one of the lawyers for the KingoftheDopers is suggesting he might do a lie detector test instead. Which is just a scummy way of sidestepping all the proof that is stacked against him. He isn't sure if he'll do the test or not yet - because he's probably had insufficient time to practice lying and beating the tests - or hasn't yet experimented with the relevant drugs that allow you to defeat the tests.

Which is all a bit strange isn't it - I mean, he's been practicing this lie for over 15 years now. What an utter scumbag. I refuse to buy anything with a Nike label on while they still support him in any way. He is the antithesis of sportsmanship.

14/10/2012 at 16:31
Millsy1977 wrote (see)
I suppose you think Jimmy Saville was a saint as well.

No, but he was a pro cyclist.  bunch of evil cheating horrible ba5t@rds, i refuse to ride a bike ever again lest I be branded a druggy paedo

14/10/2012 at 17:07
yoel yavnieli wrote (see)

when you get asmple let me see

Here you go buddy .... this do ya ?

http://www.mountainside-medical.com/product_images/uploaded_images/urine-specimen-cup.jpg

 

16/10/2012 at 16:27

The whole story is really sad and i now have very litle rspect for Lance. 

i am also saddened by the attitude of Nike and also some Nike sponsored athletes namely Paula Radcliffe.Perhaps money is more important than principles for Paula?

Maybe its time to boycott Nike and discard any Nike products I do have?

16/10/2012 at 16:45

There were failed drug tests, one was answered with a back dated doctors note for saddle sore cream, and they carried out test on blood taken and stored from the 1999 TdF (when they didnt test for EPO). these test showed up positive for LA, but were used to perfect the test and he wasn't charged as a result.

16/10/2012 at 16:46

I'm sure Nike must be shitting itself that a few people might stop wearing it's livestrong gear, i mean its not like they have any other lines of buisness is it.

16/10/2012 at 20:47
Graeme Stevenson wrote (see)

The whole story is really sad and i now have very litle rspect for Lance. 

i am also saddened by the attitude of Nike and also some Nike sponsored athletes namely Paula Radcliffe.Perhaps money is more important than principles for Paula?

Maybe its time to boycott Nike and discard any Nike products I do have?

Not sure what the issue is with Paula Graeme? - she is always pretty quick to speak out about doping issues. Maybe with LA and the fact she has a common sponsor, she is keeping her trap shut so as not to embarass her 'employer'. Not a stupid thing to do really.

As for boycotting Nike, I'm already on that game. As for chucking away Nike stuff I already own, well that will only hurt me, not them. Best you can do is continue to make a noise in social media about how you will stop buying Nike products until they distance themselves from #DopeStrong.

16/10/2012 at 21:05

Yes Radcliffe CAN be quick to speak out however is she prepared to speak out if it will cost her money?

I dont think I own any Nike gear at moment anyway as I really dont like their philosophy or lack of on sport!

Interestingly they have just been announced as clothing providers to the IOC & Olympics!

http://www.olympic.org/news/nike-to-become-ioc-supplier/179406

16/10/2012 at 21:12
I wonder if TK Maxx will be getting a job lot of Livestrong stuff in the next few weeks?
17/10/2012 at 04:37

i will buy from you all your livestrong items

17/10/2012 at 12:57

what actually is cheating?

caffeine used to be banned...I use that...so do many of you.

Armstrong & co used to store and use their own blood. That's cheating apparently. It was used to boost red blood cells.

Is training at altitude cheating?

Wiggo, apparently, sleeps in an oxygen tent to boost red blood cells. Is that cheating?

But I guess taking non-natural stuff is cheating and it seems that armstrong and pretty much ALL the tour riders were guilty of that. That's why the 7 Tours will be declared void with no winner because amny of those below were also tainted. (look at Vinakourov the 2012 TT winner...he was banned for drugs a while back!!) 

Why treat armstrong differently? Puinish him, yes. But be consistent.

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17/10/2012 at 13:09

Cheating is using anything that's outlawed in the rules.

Caffeine - thats fine.

Altitude training - no thats legal.

Oxygen Tents - I'd not heard of him using one and I know they were getting confiscated by Italian Police in the giro one year.  I dont think its banned though. Or effective. 

Taking non natural stuff ? Not cheating unless its against the rules. 

 

You seem to be being deliberately stupid on this whole thing. 

The 1000 pages that has come out has shown Lance to be a cheat, a bully and very much at the centre of the teams doping. He wanted it. He forced his team mates to do it. If they didnt comply - they didnt ride. 

Yes many of his competotors have been busted - so why shouldnt Lance ? 

There were clean riders around - Lance bullied them out of the sport. He needs to be punished or we havent learnt anything.  

We need to send messages to todays and future competitors - if you cheat - you will be punished. 

I don't like Vino either - but at least he served his ban. 

17/10/2012 at 13:51

So, Armstrong steps down from Livestrong half an hour before Nike announces they've dropped him.  Co-incidence?

17/10/2012 at 14:12
marshallini wrote (see)
Millsy1977 wrote (see)
I suppose you think Jimmy Saville was a saint as well.

No, but he was a pro cyclist.  bunch of evil cheating horrible ba5t@rds, i refuse to ride a bike ever again lest I be branded a druggy paedo

Was he ever a pro ?  I know he's supposed to have ridden the Tour of Britain - but back in the day I'm guessing that plenty of amateurs rode that.   He claims to have ridden 300 pro races (according to Wiki) but you can't believe that - he'd have had to have been racing full time for quite a few years to do that in the UK - which he couldn't have been given all the other stuff he is supposed to have done - coal miner, Wrestler, dance hall manager, DJ etc.   

17/10/2012 at 14:27
17/10/2012 at 14:45

Do you think it is the right decision that some of the riders caught up in the Armstrong case are being sacked ? Is it going to encourage other, possibly younger riders, to come forward and admit to doping knowing that they are likely to be sacked ? I think there should be an amnesty that will allow a line to be drawn under the doping issue and they cant start again from scratch. Obviously, anyone caught after that point gets suitably punished

17/10/2012 at 15:53

I take your point...but....the likes of Leipheimer haven't come forward voluntarily - they've pretty much been caught and given evidence for a reduced punishment - but what a reduced punishment - 6 months in the off season means they hardly miss a race!

Most of those that have given statements are not poor, far from it, they've done very nicely from cycling.  They didn't have to dope, most of them were good enough to have a job without being doped up, albeit not one that could command such a high salary.    Armstrong didn't twist their arms - sure there may have been pressure - but Leipheimer actually came back to an Armstrong/Bruyneel team so it's not as if he had no option but to ride for them.   

Personally I don't mind riders coming back from a doping ban - when the ban has been fair - but this lot have escaped a ban for effectively squealing on their old mate Armstrong.   I personally don't want to see any of them riding again for 2 years the same as any other rider who has been caught.   I accept that in practice they may have to have some kind of reduced punishment but I think 6 months was a joke.

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