RicF wrote (see)
Indeed, Yes I apologise most sincerely and without reservation. I should add that DF3 & SG have half marathon PB's of 69mins and 68 mins respectively, so I sort of defer to their advice.
Indeed, Yes I apologise most sincerely and without reservation.
I should add that DF3 & SG have half marathon PB's of 69mins and 68 mins respectively, so I sort of defer to their advice.
Oddly places sarcasm Ric! It doesn't take "68min" for a half marathon to give advice to the OP!
Maybe you weren't reading properly again
Work out the Maths, you missed by 4 mins, yet 7 miles were at pace, and in your own words you hammered the last three, so you either lost time over the last three as well, or you lost more then 4 minutes over miles 8 and 9, doesn't add up
Nick, I read the OP very carefully but agree that bit wasn't very clear! I imagine he meant 7-9 inclusive, which would still involve slowing down loads, even over three miles.
SG, Believe or not, it wasn't meant as sarcasm at all.
I was operating on the premise that the OP has little or no idea of who is replying to his original post. He wasn't to know what standard any of us operate to. That's why I said that you and Dave had such fast times for the HM.
I was was crediting you and DF3 with times so fast that you would never volunteer such a fact lest it be viewed as showing off. Its different if someone else mentions it though.
I see that I should have had specified that I was addressing that post to the OP alone and that it was a genuine statement.
So if you read the last couple of lines at face value. You'll see that I'm actually conferring on you and Dave an enhanced level of athletic status.
I was thanking you for your support.
Seems to have backfired that one.
Nice one Ric! I get what you're saying now.
It did look like you were saying you have to listen to these guys as they were super fast runners. So, clearly not being that level, it looked like you were being cheeky!
At least you gave me a fictional time 1 min ahead of DF3
lol could you imagine the embarrasment level had I been faster than you Stevie G ...... try living that one down!
i also couldn't weork out the maths.......if on pace till mile 7 and hammered the 3.....to lose the over 4 mins in 2/3 miles is a hell of a lot.......
Ialways have my garmin set to show me my pace for the individual mile I am doing.......so i know quickly if i have sped up or slowed down.......and can concentrate on getting back on track.......
for the very first part of the mile it can be a little unrelieable but then i know not to look for the first minute after a mile marker.....
after that its pretty spot on and used this method to obtain a number of PB's
Ric - unless i read your post wrong, were you not pointing out that many runners feel like they are close to discomfort with PB pace. So if the OP was comfortable between miles 7 & 9 that should have acted as an early warning and got going. seems like decent advice
The level of discomfort in a race is surely relative to the distance
Track races, a monumental world of pain5ks pretty uncomfortable5m/10k fairly uncomfortable
By half marathon it's more comfortably hard isn't it?It's just the higher mileage that leaves you monstered.
DF3, get some years of training in and you might yet hit some times.
I nearly fell asleep on an LSR once.
Yeah, it's similar but you can do it by yourself and sober.
Agree with Sussex runner - there's no way the rest of the race was well paced and you took your eye off the ball between 7-9 miles! Doing that costs you a few seconds per mile, not a few minutes.
Whilst I agree that it is not sensible to go off ridiculously fast and crash and burn, to pace a race well, there are a few things you need to do. Firstly have a really good idea of your capability and target pace (check whether the race has km or mile markers and either write them down, or use a garmin etc to keep a check (remembering garmins etc and even race markers are not always correct!). Basically it is usually best to aim for a steady pace, so just divide target time by miles and try to stick to that. Having said not to go off ridiculously, I think to truly find out how good you can be, sometimes you have to take risks, set off a bit harder and be prepared for it to really hurt - it may mean you crash and burn, but sometimes you can hang on and do something better than you thought. I doesn't half hurt though!!
"I felt good all race really."
This is the bit which caught my eye.
I had a vision of the OP just cruising along in the comfort zone which isn't the place to be setting a PB.
However, I concede that you do need a fair amount of experience to really crunch a race, and a Half Marathon is a damn long way to race as a newish runner. You cannot help but be cautious.
Its relative really. The first distance I ever tried smashing was a 5k. I thought I could blast it the whole way since I'd already run a HM. Well it was a bit far to sprint but that's how I attacked it. The result was a 5:46 min mile average when I thought 6:15 was fast!
Two years later I blasted a HM because on the start line I remembered I'd spent the summer running 17 & 18 milers each Sunday. 13 miles! nothing.
You need confidence to eyeball these races. At 1:40 to 1:45 that's a long time for the OP to force the pace. Plenty of time to speed up and gain experience.
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