Re: Running and Fasting

Sorry for delay

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21/10/2002 at 09:51
Friends,

I've deleted the 'running and fasting' thread and am about to drop a line to Gone Away to suggest they change their tone or find a new forum.

I'm sorry it happened over the last couple of days when no one was available to moderate the forum. We really value the positive, supportive tone of the forums here and we want to keep them that way.

We'll be watching this space.

Happy posting

Sean Fishpool
Runner's World
21/10/2002 at 09:55
Nice one Sean! Just a quick query though. Would it be possible to "fix" the forum so that people can't change their password? At least we'll then know who to ignore. Mind you, if you do, give us a bit of notice. Not sure I want to go to my grave as "A Chimp Writes"
21/10/2002 at 10:01
Well done Sean. There's no place for that here. We're too nice.
21/10/2002 at 10:14
Much appreciated.
21/10/2002 at 10:19
What did I miss??????? Oh, I knew I should have logged on yesterday!
21/10/2002 at 10:33
It was horrible Nessie. Be glad you missed it.
21/10/2002 at 11:10
Thanks Sean

It does raise the issue of RW´s monitoring of the forum at weekends. Not sure who or how, but in the light of what we saw at the weekend, perhaps this should be addressed?
21/10/2002 at 11:30
I agree Lizzy. Am I the only one, for example, who thinks it is strange that you can post messages and keep your identity secret? Why would anyone want to do that? I'm not talking about making addresses or phone numbers available or even the part of the country they live in. All you need is a persons name and subscription number. In that way, anonymous rubbish such as we saw this week-end would not be possible. Also, what is to stop gone away turning up in another guise (my earlier message refers)?
21/10/2002 at 12:19
Glad I was off the forum due to an IT meltdown at the weekend if it meant I was removed from the temptation to get wound up about an irresponsible post.

I was impressed with the forum moderation last week. A dodgy header appeared, I reported it, and it was pulled within minutes. I received a welcome acknowledgement from Sean Fishpool too. It's never going to be possible to keep rogue posters away, but I think these forums do pretty well.
21/10/2002 at 12:51
Thanks Sean, to echo the others is there any way to stop regular offenders from using another name and logging in again?
21/10/2002 at 13:00
I have to say I disagree with Chimp on this point. Anonymity on these kind of boards is important. More to the point, anything else in unenforceable - how do you make people enter their real names? And requiring a subscriber number would bar probably the majority of people (especially new people joining - I'd been posting here for several months before I got around to taking out a subscription). Likewise, 24 x 7 monitoring of the board just isn't realistic.

Ultimately, I think the system works. Some idiot posts, he gets reported to RW, they remove the post. The worst case scenario is that this happens on Friday night, so the messages are there for two and a bit days. As V-rap says, you can never completely eliminate the idiots, and this board has probably the lowest "idiot factor" of any forum type site I've seen.

Gone Away's offensive comments showed up the worst in the way that people can treat each other. The rest of this board generally shows the best. Sadly maintaining the openness of this site means that people like him are free to post those kinds of comments - I think we just have to accept, and manage it by the community showing its disapproval (as certainly happened in this case), and RW doing some judicious editing. But I wouldn't like to see any general changes made to restrict the anonymity of people on this board (and I speak as someone whose home address and mobile number is known to several here).

venom
21/10/2002 at 13:45
Venom,. I pretty much agree on most of your points. This is, by and large, a friendly forum and the vast majority behave. But as this week-ends events have shown, we cant be too complacent and if there are ways to prevent a repition we ought to, at least consider them. Where we do differ is your assertion that anonymity in these forums is important. Why? Its a runner's forum for petes sake. I take your point about enforceability though. I hadnt realised this forum wasn't subscription only.
21/10/2002 at 13:52

No, Venom. The recent behaviour of muslims in Bali showed "the worst in the way that people can treat each other", not my comments. My comments here merely reflected that, in the context of muslims presenting here the knotty problems that the niceties of their religion gives them. Unfortunately RW has deleted the evidence now (the thread in question), so latecomers are now prevented from forming any view on what you are talking about, whether it was OTT, whether I am an "idiot" as the Chimp Writes suggests (he has changed his name a few times already on this board BTW, despite his comments), or whether it is inappropriate to make any comments outside the topic of "running" itself on this board where posts touch on other issues.

As for "people like him", I'm just a person like you. We all have to live in this world. If I have a comment to make, and it is a reasonable one to make in the context, I will make it. I haven't seen massive groups of muslims in the media condemning the Bali bombings over the last week - they are happy enough to keep their heads down as though it is nothing to do with them although it is part of their group that is committing atrocities - so if they don't like the way that some of us feel about what appear to be a somewhat confused set of values just now, there is no embargo on my commenting on it. This isn't a political board but the post in question was about religious observance and if the religious observances of muslims are going to mean death to many of the rest of us, then I am not very happy about it.

For the record, RW suggested I apologise. I would if I considered I have said anything to apologise for, but I don't I suggest in turn that muslims as a collective group of people need to sort out what exactly are the collective values they do stand for, before more of us die.

Enough said.
21/10/2002 at 14:02
Obviously, killing people with bombs is far worse than throwing inappropriate and insulting generalisations at an internet message board. Both stem from a similar root though - a lack of respect and tolerance for people.

It's been said before of course, but blaming "Muslims" for these terrorist events is as nonsensical as blaming "Christians" or IRA bombings or indeed "all people with a letter E in their name" for starting wars in Europe.

But why air these views here? There are (sadly) plenty of other places on the internet where you'll be able to post these messages, and get lots of support. Or is it more fun to wind people up?

Anyway, I'm stopping here as I've tried to keep out of this conversation. It only brings out my venomous side...
21/10/2002 at 14:07
Damn, missed it! Can anyone give a clue as to the general subject matter?
21/10/2002 at 14:08
Here we go again!!! Be honest Venom, gone away isnt your best argument for anonymity is he?? :-)
21/10/2002 at 14:11
I'm starting to agree with you mate :-(
21/10/2002 at 14:20
Yes I have changed my nickname a few times, generally on a whim. The question is, how do YOU know gone away??
21/10/2002 at 14:27
To be fair, Chimp, clicking on your name shows one previous nickname. Not that I'm implying that's a problem - there's no reason for that to be wrong (apart from the fact it can get a bit confusing for everyone!)

On the subject of anonymity, there's a lot of people out there who are very wary about putting personal details about themselves into a public forum, and I fully understand that wariness. I fear that making any attempt to remove anonymity will in the first instance reduce the number of people who feel comfortable posting here. That doesn't benefit any of us.

Of course, any freedom (however minor) can be exploited. As a friend of mine used to say "and therein lies the problem"
21/10/2002 at 14:31
For those of you who dont know, this all started because a Muslim had the temerity to how she could fit her training around Ramadan. His message on this thread is quite considered compared to some on the original thread (trust me it is). One thing I do agree with gone away on though. Its a pity the original thread isnt still there. You could have all made your mind then.
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