Run Britain & Power of 10

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08/08/2012 at 19:36

This may be a dumb question/s but I've tried and cant see the answer !!

My son has a profile on Run Britain and also Power of 10 but the two dont seem to be linked and I've noticed that lots are and just wondered how you do this ?

I have a profile on Run Britain but I dont appear on Power of 10 although my son does.  We have just as a family joined an athletics club recently so I'm guessing that he is showing on Power of 10 as he has competed for the club already and I haven't, as he's the only one out of the 4 of us on there ?

My Run Britain only contains my parkruns, if I do something else then 'how will it know it was me' ?

I'm not normaly this thick but I give in on this one  

08/08/2012 at 23:17

They are linked, runbritain is a sister site of the power of 10 which now focuses on road running whereas power of 10 is track and field. Both sites are updated automatically without you having to do anything. It was my wife who told me I had a profile!

Power of 10 is what it says the top 10 in that category and then the top 100. To have a ranking your performance must put you in the top 100 approx in the country. I run marathons and I am ranked in the top 10 on power of 10 and then with a full profile on run britain. However, the link isn't very good for logging in. I have found I have to log in to powerof10 first before I can use the same login for runbritain.

I would guess you have a profile on runbritain because park runs come under road running. Presumably your son does track and field. Hope this helps.

09/08/2012 at 13:47

Thats great, thanks.  So if I do, say a 10k, will this automatically go on to runbitain and if so how ?  I wasn't a member of a running club when I set my profile up so wasn't affiliated.  To get the parkrun results they needed the parkrun barcode number.

11/08/2012 at 10:23

It will go on there automatically only if the race has a UKA Licence. The runbritain website has a full list of eligible races if I remember correctly. I came unstuck with this one. I don't really like short races but I did my running clubs local 10k. Got a pretty good time that would have massively improved my handicap only to find that they did not have a UKA licence so it wouldn't count. I have found the people at powerof10/runbritain very helpful with a very good response to emails.

11/08/2012 at 12:10

Pretty much as above - powerof10 picks up your results automatically after your first top 10 finish.

runBritain doesn't necessarily but you will see a tab at the top which says "add performances" to add anything that has its UKA licence as mentioned by OG.  After a while it seems to pick you up automatically - I guess once your name has appeared in their index so it can link you (not sure how this works if there's someone out there with the same name!) but it's worth checking the week after a race to see if it's been added. 

If you're not sure if a race has a UKA licence - click on the results tab at the top and you will see a list of races with their results status.  If it's red - that seems to mean that they have the results and they are processing them.

Enjoy

11/08/2012 at 12:15

both are a nonsense for various reasons...

power of 10 for not including non UKA races and Run Britain for having a ludicrous "handicap" scheme that noone understands.

A typical situation would be giving you a handicap of say 3 after one race, and giving you alist of times you need to get down to a 2.9....all of which are miles slower than your pb.

bizarre.

Power of 10 used to give you certain qualifying times to get a UK ranking, all of which were bizarrely out of sync.

For exampe 1:20 for a half marathon, 3hours for a marathon, yet 16:45 for 5k. The first 2 times are about a million times easier to hit than the last one.

Now they've gone too far the other way...reduced the qualifying times to make it a billion times easier to get into the rankings...20mins for 5k now! 1:30 for half marathon...etc

grrr

11/08/2012 at 12:43

Still loving running bureaucracy then SG

11/08/2012 at 15:27

exactly Sleepy...i did 3 10ks that hit the old qualifying standard, but they didn't get on the record because they weren't UKA...and now they've loosened the "standard" so low I could have a lie down and cup of coffee and still make it in

got to love it

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11/02/2013 at 09:58
I thought that both Power of 10 and Run Britain only included UKA licensed events. I think it makes sense that there is some inclusion criteria but I'd have thought it would make sense to also include events that have an ARC license, particularly now that a lot of events won't bother with the UKA license due to escalating costs.

Does the Run Britain site do anything other than provide a ludicrous handicap scheme that no one understands?
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28/02/2013 at 10:33
Stevie G . wrote (see)

both are a nonsense for various reasons...

power of 10 for not including non UKA races and Run Britain for having a ludicrous "handicap" scheme that noone understands.

A typical situation would be giving you a handicap of say 3 after one race, and giving you alist of times you need to get down to a 2.9....all of which are miles slower than your pb.

bizarre.

 

    Apologies for dragging up an old thread, but stumbled across this after a forum search having just been trying to get my head round the Run Britain Handicap and Rankings.  

Would the argument not be in respect of the above that the rankings are rewarding consistency as well as one outstanding performance? If I've got it right, it's your 5 'best' performances that count towards both your handicap and thus the rankings?  

They do appear to be trying to draw a parallel with, for example, the golf and tennis rankings where it is consistent results that will bear most fruit in terms of ranking elevation.  

Take Boris Becker winning Wimbledon as a virtually unkown 17 year old back in 1985 - this wouldn't have catapulted him straight into, say, the World Top 5. Back it up though, as I think he did, with several QF and SF slam performances, as well as retaining his Wimbledon title, over the next 12 months, and his ranking would have been right up there.  

Take also Todd Who, I mean Hamilton, when he won the Open Golf Championship in 2004, his ranking would have received a huge boost from that victory, but as he didn't back it up, then he didn't trouble the Top 10 in the world, and never has in fact.  

Having said that, I still can't really fathom them, as for one thing, I can't determine who comprises the 250,000 odd folk who now have a ranking. Is it just those who apply for their handicap, or is it anyone who takes part in a UKA licensed event? Can't be the latter as parkrun counts as that, and I think there's already well over 400,000 registered parkrunners. Is it really the former though - would they have to go round the elite runners in the country hounding them into signing up, or do they automatically enrol those of a certain standard? How do folk get struck from the list - is it inactivity over a certain period of time, and at the risk of getting all morbid how do they know when someone dies, and when do the dead lose their ranking?!  

So...in conclusion - you probably have a point after all!  

Edited: 28/02/2013 at 10:34
28/02/2013 at 11:04

BBB - You raise some interesting questions, most of which I cannot answer.  My vague fluffy take on it is that whilst the ethereal algorithms being used on the runbritain rankings may throw up the odd inconsistencies in the detail, it is basically designed to reward consistent, regular participation for the masses, so it makes sense that you don't need to be hitting PBs every time in order to nudge up your score.

The biggest question I want answered is - how can I tell runbritain that I will never EVER be interested in winning a set of Sennheiser headphones? 

28/02/2013 at 11:52
One Gear wrote (see)

They are linked, runbritain is a sister site of the power of 10 which now focuses on road running whereas power of 10 is track and field. Both sites are updated automatically without you having to do anything. It was my wife who told me I had a profile!

Power of 10 is what it says the top 10 in that category and then the top 100. To have a ranking your performance must put you in the top 100 approx in the country. I run marathons and I am ranked in the top 10 on power of 10 and then with a full profile on run britain. However, the link isn't very good for logging in. I have found I have to log in to powerof10 first before I can use the same login for runbritain.

I would guess you have a profile on runbritain because park runs come under road running. Presumably your son does track and field. Hope this helps.

just re-read this...it's not just the top 100 that get a ranking! otherwise most of us on here wouldn't get close!

And if you have a top 10 in the country marathon you must be smoking hot...in the 2:20s territory and borderline professional!

or you did a January marathon

28/02/2013 at 11:57

Heh! Yes, quite. Don't quite get the running with headphones business personally, but each to their own I suppose...though they usually seem to be the stern types who won't even give you a nod when your paths cross. 

Funny you should reply actually, Phil, as I wanted a half decent to stalkee to try to get my head round how it worked at the top end - thus I picked up your result from Brighton, and you can now consider yourself stalked. 

Any road, I think you're probably right. Down amongst the masses they seem to be a pretty harmless and informative way of motivating the likes of me to chase better times to bring the handicap down (whatever that counts for) and improve our ranking. Probably at the top end they've made sure there's a bit of sense there too, though I can imagine that in the 'very good' class of amateur runner there are enough inconsistencies that don't get smoothed out and lead to some disgruntlement, particularly between rivals.

You're doing alright by the way aren't you? Just the 6500 odd spots for me to make up on you in the V40 category!

 

28/02/2013 at 12:02

I think both these sites should be taken with a large pinch of salt.
Not all races are listed, and you can also add your own race times if you can provide proof (I did that for a handful of mine, and they are still 'pending' over 6-9 months later)

Same with the rankings, it will only list those races that are featured. I noticed that with our club's junior athletes: coach produced a list of rankings, but some better performances not listed as they don't feed the power of 10.

28/02/2013 at 14:32

BBB - you get a ranking on runbritain automatically. You don't have to do anything (other than run!!!). In fact in my case it was someone else who told me that I had a ranking, I had never even heard of the website until that time. 

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28/02/2013 at 20:36
Dustin -- How do you add your own race times and provide poof? My 10K PB isn't included as the race isn't in their list.
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28/02/2013 at 20:44

if it's ARC you can't add it. You can only add it into the free text box.

Vast majority of races are UKA though, so the rankings are about as good and accurate as you're likely to get.

Dustin, if you're bothered about the pending status, mail the organisers of the site, and get them to add it properly.

28/02/2013 at 21:27
One Gear wrote (see)

BBB - you get a ranking on runbritain automatically. You don't have to do anything (other than run!!!). In fact in my case it was someone else who told me that I had a ranking, I had never even heard of the website until that time. 

Hmmm...ok - thanks, OG. 

Answers a proportion of my curiosity.

So effectively that means that from Run Britain's point of view, there are approximately 250,000 active runners from activity in either UKA affiliated road races or parkruns? Seems a very small proportion of the overall population. Well under a half of one percent. 

Is there a specific rolling period during which one of those 'captured' has to remain active to retain their ranking does anyone know?

 

28/02/2013 at 21:32

Bobby, you have to be a certain pace to even get into the rankings.

Until about a 9months ago it was (for a male)

16.45 5k, 28:00 5m, 36:00 10k, 58:00 10m, 1:20 HM, 3:00 Marathon.
ie some reasonably challenging targets in the scheme of things.

Then for some reason they massively opened the levels up, and now you can get in there with a 40min 10k and 1:30 half!

Edited: 28/02/2013 at 21:33
XX1
28/02/2013 at 21:56
Any idea why ARC licenced event aren't included?
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