Runner or Jogger

i reckon running is at about 4:12 per km pace maybe 4:20....something like 6:30/mile in imperial (I do metric). and i'm nearer 50 than 20 (much nearer). most people are joggers who think they can run

No. Proper runners run at more like 5 m/m for a marathon, much faster over shorter distances. Any thing slower than that and you're just kidding your self that you're half decent. 6:30 m/m would be an easy long run for a proper runner, that's the speed of an amatuer also ran who likes to big himself up on an internet forum

i think they're called elite runners who can run that fast for a marathon

No, that's called using a car!!

*rolling eye smiley*

i've been having a bit of a think about this.

runnning and jogging are not two descrete terms in the way that runnning and walking are. there are very easily determined biomechanical differences between walking and runnning in a way that there just aren't between runnning and jogging.

if we accept that this is the case then the terms "runnning" and "jogging" are essentially merely two terms on the same sliding scale of a particular activity. any cut off point imposed on the line is purely arbitary due to the fact that R/J is a continuous rather than descrete variable.

given this, i would suggest that what constitutes "runnning" is dependent on who is doing the runnning.

for example:

imagine myself and Mo Farah are going for a 'run' together. he's a mate and he's invited me for a gentle jog on one of his slow days, because he's nice like that. he sets off at 40 minute 10km pace, thinking he's taking it nice and easy. meanwhile i'm busting a gut to keep up and am in no way considering myself to be jogging.

in essence i would say that the difference between jogging and runnning comes down to a matter of effort. Mo "runs" at 27 minute 10km pace and would think of a 40 minute 10km as a gentle stroll. i on the other hand recently did my second 10km race in a pb of 44:58 and at the end would happily have lamped anyone who said i'd been jogging.

flat-out i might just about be able to run as quick as Mo does over 10km, but i'd be puking after 200 metres or so. does that mean that any slower than that i'm just jogging? i don't think so.

I knew there would be a Venn diagram for this!

Not actually running related at all...

PhilPub wrote (see)

Not actually running related at all...

 

very unrealistic. there should be a lot less pie left than that.

My Dad pee'd me off the other day.  I got a PB on a half (1:50:17), and I consider that I "ran" it, even though I know it's slow compared with many people.  All he was interested in was where I came in relation to everyone else (he was particularly concerned to make sure I hadn't come last in my Club).  I tried to explain it was irrelevant (to me), but quickly gave up. 

I also told him I'd been off the beer for 7 weeks, and his natural reaction was to question why I was doing that, as he thought alcohol was good for you   I think he just likes to argue.

At the age of 36, why I am interested in what he thinks about running (he has never been a runner) is potentially another matter for debate...

Sofaboy wrote (see)

 

very unrealistic. there should be a lot less pie left than that.

To be fair, you've got the word "yet" in there, so it's clearly a work in progress.

Speaking of lemon curd, these are bloody lovely...

Probably not a well thought out classification although would be interesting to see the final finishing places of people compared to where they start.

I use sportstracks to keep track of my runs and the pace chart plots a line between running and jogging. I think it assumes anything under 6mins per km is running (I am not sure if this line moves depending on age and gender).

Big_G wrote (see)

My Dad pee'd me off the other day.  I got a PB on a half (1:50:17), and I consider that I "ran" it, even though I know it's slow compared with many people.  All he was interested in was where I came in relation to everyone else (he was particularly concerned to make sure I hadn't come last in my Club).  I tried to explain it was irrelevant (to me), but quickly gave up.

That's pretty crap. His attitude I mean, not your time! My dad's always really chuffed when I finish a race and makes a big deal out of it even though my own marathon PB is over an hour slower than his. I think he just likes the fact that I'm running now that he doesn't do so much of it any more. And yes, I usually come last out of all my clubmates. And no, it doesn't bother me either.

Sofaboy wrote (see)

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for example:

imagine myself and Mo Farah are going for a 'run' together. he's a mate and he's invited me for a gentle jog on one of his slow days, because he's nice like that. he sets off at 40 minute 10km pace, thinking he's taking it nice and easy. meanwhile i'm busting a gut to keep up and am in no way considering myself to be jogging.

I always thought Mo Farah looked a nice guy.

But it seems he's a bit thoughtless... just like so many of today's celebrities