Thames Valley Cross Country 2011/12

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04/01/2012 at 17:10
Time to wheel this thread out for Tadley on sunday...

Done a lot of mileage last week and this...so we'll see how that affects the race on sunday!
It'll either power charge me, or give me a terrific excuse
04/01/2012 at 18:10

Well, I'm chasing down Annie, so will run my heart out.

One of our guys has picked up his pace so will be a good battle for 3rd BFR man.

Always aiming for those red SJ vests though...

05/01/2012 at 09:37
Got visitors on Sunday so can't make it. Might try to sneak in an early 18 miler if possible though. I think our team may be a lttle light this week - at least one frontrunner with an injury and several others off doing other things.
05/01/2012 at 12:03
Sprint, anyone under about 8th place this year is chasing down Annie!

I don't know what magic she's introduced to her game, but I've gone from always being 2-3mins ahead, to now 1min behind... and I'm not too far off the top of my game
someone said she's done some 30-50mile off road races...that'd probably help!!

Who's away BOTF? Chris? I heard he's done 5 races in about 3 days!!
Phil's racing the day before too...
05/01/2012 at 15:22
Stevie G . wrote (see)
Phil's racing the day before too...
Yes, county champs, that is a big fixture clash. If anyone official can look then there is a list of dates printed way ahead, if you look at http://www.uka.org.uk/competitions/fixtures/  you see the dates for the league matches for next Oct, Nov and Dec are already set.
05/01/2012 at 15:28
Having been on the board, trying to arrange the fixtures, it's tough enough as it is, having to avoid loads of key dates, and to finish before Bramley 20/Wokingham half.

To try and avoid even more dates would be pretty impossible! The only way would be to have situations like 3 or 4 of the races on consecutive weekends..which wouldn't be good!
05/01/2012 at 18:12
Stevie G . wrote (see)
Having been on the board, trying to arrange the fixtures, it's tough enough as it is, having to avoid loads of key dates, and to finish before Bramley 20/Wokingham half. To try and avoid even more dates would be pretty impossible! The only way would be to have situations like 3 or 4 of the races on consecutive weekends..which wouldn't be good!
Fair dos I suppose, but county champs is a big fixture, if you have to avoid one clash that is a good one to start with.
IronCat5    pirate
05/01/2012 at 20:40

I should make Tadley this weekend. Gaffa tape and waders at the ready!

It's a bl**dy long walk for the food though.

05/01/2012 at 21:03
So run!
05/01/2012 at 23:44
Is the Bucks county championship that big a deal in terms of our sunday league Phil?

After all, we're only talking Handy Cross, Marlow and Burnham. I doubt they'd have many runners between them entering, in fact I'm sure Marlow's entry would be 0, and perhaps only a very small handful from the other 2 clubs?

If it was a Berkshire county championship though, it could well see 4 or 5 clubs each losing 20 or so runners each, and thus making any sunday league race the next day massively understocked!

Cat, don't worry old son, they've moved the food to one of the other halls. Apparently it's a lot closer.

In fairness, after finishing a cross country, the delight can normally enable infinite walking!
06/01/2012 at 07:32
Stevie G . wrote (see)
Is the Bucks county championship that big a deal in terms of our sunday league Phil? After all, we're only talking Handy Cross, Marlow and Burnham. I doubt they'd have many runners between them entering, in fact I'm sure Marlow's entry would be 0, and perhaps only a very small handful from the other 2 clubs? If it was a Berkshire county championship though, it could well see 4 or 5 clubs each losing 20 or so runners each, and thus making any sunday league race the next day massively understocked! Cat, don't worry old son, they've moved the food to one of the other halls. Apparently it's a lot closer. In fairness, after finishing a cross country, the delight can normally enable infinite walking!

All countties have their champs on the same day, there is a lot of organisation to ensure it happens so.

http://www.berkshireathletics.org.uk/xc.htm
http://www.athletics.hampshire.org.uk/events/xcc.html
http://www.bucksaa.org.uk/entry/xc2012information.pdf


Edited: 06/01/2012 at 07:32
06/01/2012 at 09:52

Ahhhhh cakes! That'll be me definitely turning up then!

The clashes sound a nightmare - there seems to be so much choice most weekends of the year these days - it's all getting a bit nuts when there are plenty of races nowhere close to reaching their limits. Ben ran a great 10 miler back in September which had an amazing prize but less than 100 runners.  Guess there's no way to limit who can organize what and when though.

Shame we didn't know about the champs - could have sent Ben along to join in the fun -  but missed the closing date anyway now! There must be a few who'll do run both? Ideal - no - doable - for some! Really impressed that they're all on the same day - that makes total sense in my world.

Talking of Ben - for those who may wonder if he gets "extra" support being in the RAF - he wishes.  He's just been asked to run in the Midlands team (1st claim) in Ireland but has had to say no as he's away on a course right now (only during the week) and can't get away in time to get there. He doesn't even get to run in the inter-services xc or RAF champs for the same reason so his season's up the spout a bit. Hey ho - will let him have an extra cake on Sunday!

06/01/2012 at 12:22
It's funny Sleepy Bear, a lot of Marlow people (bless them) hear about Ben being a fastie and say, terrific...that's what you need...someone faster to run with. They don't realise that the difference between 30mins and 35mins at 10k is one huge one

on that note by the way, I know he's working away for a lot of your remaining time here, but I'll have to try and get at least one training run with him, if he's up for it!

At his pace he must be in massive demand for various teams, but as you say, it must be pretty impossible to get around for the events. It must sometimes be a bit of an ask to get a race of sufficient quality where he's actually in a race, and not just strolling to a few mins win

Phil, had a look through that Berkshire link, and at the entries in already...only recognised one name from our series. Would have probably expected loads from Sandhurst, Bracknell, Reading etc to be entered?

Edited: 06/01/2012 at 12:27
06/01/2012 at 12:38
Stevie G . wrote (see)
 Phil, had a look through that Berkshire link, and at the entries in already...only recognised one name from our series. Would have probably expected loads from Sandhurst, Bracknell, Reading etc to be entered?

List seems pretty minimal so far, 6 in senior men, but in http://www.berkshireathletics.org.uk/pdf/xc11res.pdf there are 39 runners and familiar names such as Matt Davenport, Will Burkitt etc etc

A lot of people who run for Sandhurst may live in nearby Hampshire?

06/01/2012 at 13:27

Hey SG - I'm sure he'd love to - hopefully you'll be able to co-ordinate a weekend where you're both free.  I pretty much just let him do what he needs to and fit in around whatever he plans so I'm sure there'll be some time he can do.  I know we're in Birmingham next Saturday (15th) then it's the next TVXC, he's thinking of doing the BP parkrun the following Saturday (28th) . Then it's the last xc, followed by another Birmingham race, then a  weekend in Yorkshire followed hopefully by watching/Ben running (???) the National xc (25th Feb).  Welcome to our world! LOL

So from that I deduce - Sunday 16th or 29th of this month or 12th February are most likely chances but you'd have to check with him as he may have planned other stuff in whilst he's been away this week.  I only have our outlook overview here.

Have you done any of the Black Parks - someone mentioned they're pretty much xc?

Edited: 06/01/2012 at 14:07
06/01/2012 at 14:21
blimey that's a schedule! Suprised he's keen on doing the sunday xcs to be honest, there's noone in our league capable of getting within a couple of mins. Saturday league would be a different story..but marlow don't race that of course.

Did Black Park once... did 17.48, a few weeks after going through 5k in about 17.23 within a 10k...

people do tell me for a park run it's a fast one though...I just got it on a bad day, which sounds like a hard luck story!
I expect someone like Ben isn't slowed a great deal by factors like course and weather unlike the rest of us!
07/01/2012 at 00:14

I did the Black Park Parkrun on Boxing day and really enjoyed it, its 1 lap trail through the woods, and does seem like it could be a fast one,! It made a change for me as I normally go to the Reading PR

I will be a Tadley this sunday and Im looking forward to it!  

07/01/2012 at 09:19

Black Park is a fair course, here is my Garmin track, that is the bast way i can think to describe it. There are no big hills and no sharp turns: the course is really a series of long straight paths, so straight that when you turn just after 4 km you can see the finish cones the best part of half a mile away.

The fastest I have done on the course is 18:06: I did 17:49 on the track  and 17:52 on the road within a few weeks of that so it isn't the fastest but neither does it slow you down a lot.

The weather does have an impact on the surface and it does slow down, hard to say how much as I am getting faster so my muddy times in the last few weeks were 18:15 and the 9 seconds seems to be too small so I think I am now faster than 18:06 if it was dry and hard.

The one thing for Ben will be there are no marshalls so he will possibly lead and have to find the course as he goes. It isn't hard but it is just a distraction, it may be best if he jogs round beforehand as a warm up.

07/01/2012 at 12:44

PMJ  - brilliant advice thanks - I'll show and tell him.

Claire2 - the idea of running through woodland makes it more appealing for me. It'll be my first ever park run so fast or slow I'll enjoy it!

SG - no not much!  I sometimes think he's not human! LOL

See you all tomorrow 

07/01/2012 at 13:05
5k is a bizarre mixture of searing uncomfortable pain of running too fast for comfort, fused with knowing that 5mins after the finish you have to remind youself that you've actually run!

XC tends to be a bit more, turn up reasonably relaxed having forgotten what tough courses they are, having a rude awakening struggling up some steep/muddy terrain, thinking you're running poorly the whole way round, and then pure satisfaction afterwards, when usually the time comes out as what you would expect!

1 run done, another one later, then Tadley! The race that seems the longest drive wherever you're based!
Edited: 07/01/2012 at 13:06
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