The Stillman Formula for optimal running weight

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Pethead    pirate
14/09/2012 at 22:39

He's quite clearly not listening to us, but also he's not getting any validation from me, you or anyone else, so why doesn't he sod off? Does he get some kind of a kick from broadcasting the fact he's a skeleton with skin on all over the internet? 

14/09/2012 at 22:52
Thing is with Anorexics, cos that's what he is to put it bluntly, they do not listen to anyone. So no matter what anyone on here says he isn't going to take a blind bit of notice. He's ill and needs help before he kills himself.
16/09/2012 at 22:16

Hes on other forums advising a 17 year old that they may need to lose weight - http://www.runnersforum.co.uk/beginners/34984-long-distances-17-years-old.html

Beggars belief really!

Edited: 16/09/2012 at 22:28
Pethead    pirate
16/09/2012 at 23:00
RedRoadRunner wrote (see)

Hes on other forums advising a 17 year old that they may need to lose weight - http://www.runnersforum.co.uk/beginners/34984-long-distances-17-years-old.html

Beggars belief really!

OK, he's been killing himself for years, but surely this is akin to suicide bombing, trying to convert other people to his loony ideas. Out of order, IMHO.  

17/09/2012 at 17:36

Thought long and hard before responding to this - so please forgive me if I go on but it will make sense (sort of!).

Killermiles - if this photo is of you then you need to get help fast. You may not believe or want to believe it but you are not a healthy weight. Despite the fact that you say you recover well etc your weight is well below what it should be and when your body stops being able to use fat it uses up muscles from anywhere it can get it - limbs or  heart it's not fussy. That means, combined with possible low potassium and/or low calcium levels (which you may not notice physically), you are at risk of a heart attack from which no-one will be able to save you. I feel it is probable that you have some form of ED or OCD but whatever you have help is needed, same as everyone else says. You simply cannot keep going as you are - you are not invincible.

Anorexics do listen (RRR please believe this) but ED's are the most difficult of all the mental health illnesses and the one with the highest rate of death due to suicide or other reasons. Getting over an ED has been the hardest thing I have ever had to do in my 50 years to date, and I'm only partially recovered after 7 years.

I also feel that this post should be removed - how can a running thread be on show when it is 'encouraging' possibly new runners or runners with ED's to lose weight to a dangerously low BMI - RW has some responsibility here I think.

As someone who is partially recovered from anorexia it is a difficult thread to ignore - my weight is lower than it should be (partial recovery only I admit), but I also do eat to run and have managed to maintain my weight since I have started runnning. My non anorexic brain knows that this thread is rubbish and that I should not be the weight I am and run long distances etc. but there may be many other ED sufferer's who read into it what they want - but through no fault of their own. As a mature person (in years only ), I can perhaps make more sense of it than younger sufferers.

I have always found the threads to be useful; informative and funny (sometimes), Emmy bug thanks for GSR last year - fab thread! Then I read this one...........

kittenkat    pirate
17/09/2012 at 17:49

Jelleybaby, I haven't read your full post yet, but there's some good stuff in there and I will read in full.

I disagree that this thread should be deleted, I think that this stuff should be discussed not censored.

No-one on this thread has been encouraging possible runners with EDs to lose weight, except maybe the OP, but everyone has figured that if those photos are him, he's not well.

17/09/2012 at 20:34
kittenkat wrote (see)

Jelleybaby, I haven't read your full post yet, but there's some good stuff in there and I will read in full.

I disagree that this thread should be deleted, I think that this stuff should be discussed not censored.

No-one on this thread has been encouraging possible runners with EDs to lose weight, except maybe the OP, but everyone has figured that if those photos are him, he's not well.

I would guess that a thread like this could be quite distressing for some people. Get rid of a thread like this is not necessarily censorship.

Not everything should be discussed on a forum. Not everyone who can post is capable of a worthwhile discussion  - OP would be one obvious example.

17/09/2012 at 21:03

I'm pretty sure if RW actually bothered to monitor, or even listen to reporting of threads anymore (both Dominique and Alice are gone aren't they), the pics of KM and the thread would be long gone.

Although not one post has supported KM, and his approach, it's clearly not put him off, so there's no reason it'll put any other vulnerable people in the same boat off...it's worrying they might even hold him up as an icon of weight loss.

The KM posts 2-3 years ago were quite worrying, the posts this time round are borderline critical i think.....

Edited: 17/09/2012 at 21:04
17/09/2012 at 21:11
RedRoadRunner wrote (see)

Hes on other forums advising a 17 year old that they may need to lose weight - http://www.runnersforum.co.uk/beginners/34984-long-distances-17-years-old.html

Beggars belief really!

cripes some of his posts on there are worrying. Talking about running for hours in the morning, then running until 10pm, fuelling off berries water and sleep!

Talk of doing 50miles in a go over this weekend. The responses on there are similar to on here, but whereas every post on here is weight related, he's bit more subtle over there, so they may well not have picked up on it as the problem it is.

Edited: 17/09/2012 at 21:12
kittenkat    pirate
17/09/2012 at 21:11
bos1 wrote (see)
kittenkat wrote (see)

Jelleybaby, I haven't read your full post yet, but there's some good stuff in there and I will read in full.

I disagree that this thread should be deleted, I think that this stuff should be discussed not censored.

No-one on this thread has been encouraging possible runners with EDs to lose weight, except maybe the OP, but everyone has figured that if those photos are him, he's not well.

I would guess that a thread like this could be quite distressing for some people. Get rid of a thread like this is not necessarily censorship.

Not everything should be discussed on a forum. Not everyone who can post is capable of a worthwhile discussion  - OP would be one obvious example.

Oh come on! Just because someone starts a thread, doesn't mean they 'own' it or the thread supports their opinion or perceived opinion. YES, everything should be discussed on a forum; otherwise how would you ever get a balanced view?

I don't actually think the OP was that controversial, ill and misguided yes, trying to form a cult... No.

Everything ever said or written could potentially be distressing to someone; so how do you suggest we proceed? By never putting a mirror in people's faces?

kittenkat    pirate
17/09/2012 at 21:15
Stevie G . wrote (see)

I'm pretty sure if RW actually bothered to monitor, or even listen to reporting of threads anymore (both Dominique and Alice are gone aren't they), the pics of KM and the thread would be long gone.

Although not one post has supported KM, and his approach, it's clearly not put him off, so there's no reason it'll put any other vulnerable people in the same boat off...it's worrying they might even hold him up as an icon of weight loss.

The KM posts 2-3 years ago were quite worrying, the posts this time round are borderline critical i think.....

I disagree, you seem very into censorship of stuff you haven't got any experince of, or isn't in the linear view of your comfort zone.

17/09/2012 at 21:16

"YES, everything should be discussed on a forum; otherwise how would you ever get a balanced view?"

If stupid people discuss something, you do not get a balanced view. You get stupid views.

kittenkat    pirate
17/09/2012 at 21:20

Really people, just because one person is probably (maybe) really struggling with an eating disorder; so what in the bigger scheme of things regarding exposing the subject? Don't call for RW to delete it, also don't bastardise him.

It's now come out into the open, just fucking talk honestly and in an adult way.

It's not scandal, it's a thread on a specific forum.

17/09/2012 at 21:21

Do you fancy yourself as some sort of amateur psychologist KK?

I've seen anorexia in someone in real life, so it's not the best to see someone with a much more serious case publically withering on the forums thanks.

Back to your drawing board eh?

kittenkat    pirate
17/09/2012 at 21:22
bos1 wrote (see)

"YES, everything should be discussed on a forum; otherwise how would you ever get a balanced view?"

If stupid people discuss something, you do not get a balanced view. You get stupid views.

And how is that different from any other arena? Do your mates talk a more balanced conversation; or is it just more comfortable to your own perspective because they're your mates?

kittenkat    pirate
17/09/2012 at 21:25
Stevie G . wrote (see)

Do you fancy yourself as some sort of amateur psychologist KK?

I've seen anorexia in someone in real life, so it's not the best to see someone with a much more serious case publically withering on the forums thanks.

Back to your drawing board eh?

You've 'seen' anorexia in someone in real life... I bet you see dead people too!

17/09/2012 at 21:26

not really a joking matter is it, as one often leads to the other!

17/09/2012 at 21:29

"Everything ever said or written could potentially be distressing to someone; so how do you suggest we proceed? By never putting a mirror in people's faces?"

I suggest you proceed by understanding how useless it is to try to argue that "Everything ever said or written could potentially be distressing to someone".

kittenkat    pirate
17/09/2012 at 21:32

Define 'often' in clinical terms regarding specific eating disorders. You have no idea, you just get pissed with the the whole male testosterone, training and race times stuff. You don't actually care how healthy or not this guy is; you just want to disprove his claims to running fast in context with your own times and aspirations of.

17/09/2012 at 21:35

quote me one time he's mentioned since he's been back. Or one training session he's given paces for. There have been none.

This has gone well beyond comparing race times! I don't think he's even fussed himself anymore, as the game seems to have moved to longer distances, more hours running, to lose more weight.

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