"The truth about sports products"

Panorama, tomorow (Thurs 19)

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20/07/2012 at 13:28

My concern about the programme is the dissing of sports shoes and the representation of barefoot running in a positive light in the same programme - now I am pro barefoot and use minimilist shoes or none if I am sure of the surface.  But surely  some of the same people who have bought into the 'energy drinks are essential for any period of of exercise' could now - go out thinking shoes are bad and run their normal distances barefoot without any build up - a few physios could do very well out of such a reaction

20/07/2012 at 13:32

Barefoot running wasn't shown in a postivie light. The point was made that you have to run in a different way if you are going to do it and it's not easy. Lieberman also said there's even less data to support barefoot running. Sports shoes weren't dissed - it was the bells and whistles that were questioned.

20/07/2012 at 13:38

Tenjiso - good point. According to EFSA there were two claims on caffeine (increased attention and increased alertness) considered "proven" for people in general (not specifically people engaged in sports).

The three claims considered "proven" for people engaged in sports were
increased endurance performance, increased endurance capacity, and
reduction in the rated perceived exertion/effort during exercise.

However, the European Commission have not sanctioned the latter claim as yet because of the harms of caffeine and the effect on kids.

It's worth pointing out that Oxford would dispute the quality of the science. You can read what they found about caffiene here:


20/07/2012 at 13:38

I thought it was a good programme, worth watching.  It reinforced my opinion that for the amount of running I do, sports drinks are not beneficial.  However, if I'm doing a 4 hour plus hike up a mountain, then they will be of some benefit.  Generally though I just drink water before or after a run.

As for protein/recovery drinks - I get  the argument that milk is all you need and have seen the results my boyfriend (who does ultra distance) gets when he drinks milk after long runs.  That said, I hate milk, so I use a brand of drink called 'For goodness shakes' which you mix with water.  I only use this when I run 9 miles or more and I have to say that after my first half marathon I found it really helped, so I will continue to drink it, as I believe it works for me.

With regard to shoes - not sure I agreed with that bit.  I struggled for about 2 years with shin splints and it's only when I got a pair of Brooks trainers and some orthotic insoles that my shin splints disappeared and made it possible for me to actually run more than once a week.  Now, I appreciate that some people's opinions that new runners are more gullible re shiny expensive trainers, but I say that the combination of orthotic and control shoe for over pronation has worked for me and if it isn't broken, then I'm not going to fix it just because someone is saying that expensive control shoes are pointless. 

20/07/2012 at 13:54
Your'e happy spending lots of money on sports shoes. The manufacturers are happy to sell you it. Everybody's happy(in Harry Enfield's Charcter)

The other Harry Enfield charcter would be the bloke in the Antiques shop(or sports shop in this case) called I Saw You Coming.
Edited: 20/07/2012 at 13:57
20/07/2012 at 14:01

You have your opinion Sussex Runner (NLR) and I'll have mine - it's a free country.

I have tried cheap trainers, neutral and control for over pronation and I had excruciating shin splints.  The dearer trainers (which I maybe buy once a year) may cost me more up front but if I run 3 times a week (or sometimes 4) then the cost per run over 52 weeks is £0.544 on an £85 pair of trainers.  I wouldn't say that is excessive.  Ultimately though, if I pay a bit more so that I can run pain free, then I am happy to, as is my choice, with my own money. 

20/07/2012 at 14:03

When one of the experts used in a programme is seen running barefoot - that shows it in a positive light to some viewers.  The point about needing to run differently for barefoot will nto have been picked up in amongst the talk about unsubstantiated  claims about cushioning and stability/motion control shoes.  People are going to go out and try it without lookinginto it properly.


20/07/2012 at 14:15

It does make me smile when I think about the shoe manufacturers marketing shoes to barefoot runners.  Genius.

20/07/2012 at 14:16

Deb thanks for coming on here and providing your take on the programme - am I right in thinking you worked on the M-O-M hip replacement story too?

(Not stalking, just work for an orthopaedics journal when not running!)




20/07/2012 at 14:26
Thankyou for allowing me my opinion Bob Roberts. I don't believe I ever suggested you weren't entitled to yours. Just suggested you were dim. Nice..but Dim
20/07/2012 at 14:31

The shoe manufactureres are protecting their market.  And its easy since there is alot of all the gear no idea tendancies - people WANT to beleive the hype.  I never pay alot of money but do have one pair of minimalist shoes (last years colour so £25ish quid).  I have also used £6 aqua shoes and would really like a funky collection of old style plimsols.

They are plugging into the fear of glass and dog shite just like the antibacterial cleaning products people plug into our fear of disease.

Sadly programmes like last nights although most of us could do with being shaken out of these crutches sometimes produce a backlash in some people which may cause other problems

20/07/2012 at 14:33
Deb Cohen wrote (see)

Barefoot running wasn't shown in a postivie light. The point was made that you have to run in a different way if you are going to do it and it's not easy. Lieberman also said there's even less data to support barefoot running. Sports shoes weren't dissed - it was the bells and whistles that were questioned.

And not one mention of the very real possibility of cutting your foot if you accidentally step on sharp stones or broken glass.  I wouldn't even run barefoot on a beach personally.

20/07/2012 at 14:36

It was on the BBC, enough said.

20/07/2012 at 14:41

I wouldn't want to run barefoot either - just not comfortable doing so. Having said that, the couple of pairs of racers I have are pretty minimalist, but very comfy. Like a previous poster, I tend to search out bargain running shoes online. Never had a duff pair that way, yet.

20/07/2012 at 14:44

I nearly always do everything on the cheap as well is either that or not afford to be able to do anything. 

20/07/2012 at 14:45
I think we were well aware it was on the BBC.

I think someone on the forum did mention stones and glass. I have one pair of minmalist shoes and I have more than once grimaced in pain after running on a stone. The smug beardy guy running in bareeet may not have looked so smug on my trailruns.
20/07/2012 at 14:45

Although on some products the 'buy cheap, buy twice' motto applies. (I'm thinking of almost anything I've ever got from Sports Direct)

20/07/2012 at 14:53
I think the BBC have shown some great sports documentaries this week. This, Vicky P and the Usain Bolt one. Although they did balance it with the 50 Great Olympic moments on BBC3. Great sports moments with comments on how personalities had felt at the time, while watching it despite not having been born at the time!
20/07/2012 at 15:00

Ach, the Vicky Pendleton one... now it did the one thing that really turns me off from this sort of documentary: it played music behind every shot. I hate being urged to feel a particular emotion at times that are emotive enough in themselves. So we go sad music when it all went a bit tits up with the team because she'd fallen in love with on the coaches, inspirational music when she was doing well, dramatic chords when she lost a major race to Anna Meares. When did this need for music to underpin everything come about. It's as if we don't know when something is amazing/sad/worrying. I have to admit, though I admire her sporting achievements immensely, she came across as a bit immature (a tendency for a lot of sports people these days who never seem to have contact with the real world) and touchy. No wonder she was difficult to deal with at times. I also, probably unfairly, learned to hate her pushy and seemingly unempathetic dad. Ms Pendleton is, of course, a stunner.

20/07/2012 at 15:14

Is there even any solid science that milk is benefitial for recovery?  What about the 4:1 ratio of carbs to protein?

Programmes like this make you question lots of things you considered as facts.  That's probably a good thing, but can leave you more confused than when you started!


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