Why can't I lose my belly and get a 6 pack

ah  I see the usual wrong advise is being thrown about here again...

Its total rubbish that doing more exercise and doing 2000 situps, ab exercises and weight lifting will give you a 6 pack.

Facts:

Everyone has one, its just most are covered in excess fat..

To make it show you will need to cut all sugar from your diet.

You need to start eating more meat, fish, cheese etc

No milk, choc, pasta, potatoes, no junk or processed food, ( if your in doubt of what to eat look at the back of the packet and if its got too many ingredients to remember then dont eat it), no bread etc. oh and no fruit.. its full of sugar and there are more vitamins in a piece of meat than a piece of fruit anyways...

All your meals need to be meat based- meat cotains no carbs at all. You can eat as many eggs as you like too.

Veg are ok (they contain such a small amount of carbs it wont effect you)

So now you arent eating sugars/carbs your body will have no immediate sugars to use up for energy and now you will start buring off stored fat... eventually your 6 pack will show...

Still want a 6 pack???

Avit, your advice sounds more for the weight lifter/body builder types.

Top runners and footballers have quality six packs. Are you telling me they all cut out carbs? Are you crazy?

You also massively underplay the role genes play. I've known lazy slackers who booze and smoke, do no exercise and eat what they want yet have six packs....

Stevie G . wrote (see)

Avit, your advice sounds more for the weight lifter/body builder types.

Top runners and footballers have quality six packs. Are you telling me they all cut out carbs? Are you crazy?

You also massively underplay the role genes play. I've known lazy slackers who booze and smoke, do no exercise and eat what they want yet have six packs....

 

no im 100% correct, this shows you have a very limited understanding of the way a body works. Pro atheletes have totally different dietary requirements than the average to above average runner which Im sure the OP is (no offense intented)

professonal atheletes will use the same understanding and knowldege I have and use carbs to their advantage but never in order to store them as fat, therefore they will always moslty have a 6 pack. Genes has something to do with it but only a small percentage, we all have abdominals... for example a footballer could eat half a loaf of bread a couple of hours before a big game and use this as they're energy for the match, burning it off and not storing it as fat. If however they go and eat half a loaf of bread then 8 slices of bacon they will store the fat contained within the bacon because they will use up the sugars in the bread but wont get round to using the energy provided by the bacon....

note the thing that fattens you here is not the bacon, its actually the bread. You can eat as much bacon as you like on its own and never put a pound on. Start eating bacon sandwiches and it will be a different story.

An average runner could do better by eating more meat as it contains 100% more vitamins and minerals, proteins for repairs and cholesterol for repair and homonoe control than carbs which are essentially all sugar. Sugar has zero nutritional value whatsoever.

so in reponse to 'Am I crazy?!'

my answer would be no I am not Im very well informed whereas you do not seem to be and you like to further complicate the matter by throwing in unproven aspects which hardly anyone knows the answer to, never mind you, ie genes.

tut tut

Avit - if you read the replies on page one - most folks are telling the OP that it is having too much body fat that is preventing his 6-pack and a couple mention curbing the usual 'carb' habit that runners and endurance athletes have.  You are not telling us anything we don't know here.

However - an endurance athlete can 'get away' with a lot more junk(i.e crap carbs and sugar) in their diet than the average bod.  If you know how the body works - then you should know why this is. 

If the OP wants a six pack it is more than likely he will need to cut down his carbs.... I think he got that message.

In response to the footballer having half a loaf before a match -!!!  If they do need to practice calorie/carb restriciton (which I doubt) it is more likely they carb cycle and have it afterwards as the resultant energy slump from the insulin reponse to the bread pre-match would not be ideal although perhaps a few hours would be long enough - certainly doesn't sound like the kind of things a sports nutritionist would recommend - especially one with a primal/paleo ideaology.

Avit, reading your other threads, you need to find a way to take some of this knowledge to aid your running, as seems you're struggling a bit on that score.

Stevie G . wrote (see)

Avit, reading your other threads, you need to find a way to take some of this knowledge to aid your running, as seems you're struggling a bit on that score.

Lol ok big man, sorry didnt realise you need a fancy RW profile pic, entry reviews and 10k posts to provide great advice on diet, perhaps you should get off your backside and run more instead of posting 10k times on here....

Jason Wintin wrote (see)

Avit your diet sounds crazy!! Doesn't sound like a diet for a runner at all!

How much knowledge in this field do you have??

Cutting out sugars is practically impossible, and a meat only diet..... Come on!!

You make out like every food is bad apart from meat. Sounds about like a weightlifter friend I have!!!

It is a drastic measure and I have to admit I eat sugars but that would be the answer to the OP's question. If you eating food provided by nature you wont go far wrong, however alot of people underestimate the value of meat. Im not a chicken leg captain upperbody weight lifter at all but I do advise you eat more meat than you are doing. Carbs are not as neccesary as you think for the average runner. Try it for a month and you will see.

GymAddict wrote (see)

Avit - if you read the replies on page one - most folks are telling the OP that it is having too much body fat that is preventing his 6-pack and a couple mention curbing the usual 'carb' habit that runners and endurance athletes have.  You are not telling us anything we don't know here.

 

However - an endurance athlete can 'get away' with a lot more junk(i.e crap carbs and sugar) in their diet than the average bod.  If you know how the body works - then you should know why this is. 

If the OP wants a six pack it is more than likely he will need to cut down his carbs.... I think he got that message.

 

In response to the footballer having half a loaf before a match -!!!  If they do need to practice calorie/carb restriciton (which I doubt) it is more likely they carb cycle and have it afterwards as the resultant energy slump from the insulin reponse to the bread pre-match would not be ideal although perhaps a few hours would be long enough - certainly doesn't sound like the kind of things a sports nutritionist would recommend - especially one with a primal/paleo ideaology.

Not quite sure what your point is in the first few paragraphs as you're just reiterating my points. However the in reference to the last paragraph. The footballer as an example, would burn off the sugars in the bread throughout the match. He wouldnt have an insulin slump at all. He would if he ate a carb then didnt burn it off, such as like what you said about eating carbs after an event..

I havent mentioned anything about deliberate calorie restriction, if you need energy then eat carbs... simple. As for eating just before the match its a myth, it wouldnt matter too much, why do tennis players eat bannanas during a match???

Think you need to do a bit more homework before talking about stuff you dont understand. By all means if you disagree, write a brief understanding of how you think the body deals with food and I wil

Fruit is good for you, but not nearly as much at the Uk govt would make out. Meat, fish and eggs outstrip fruit in terms of overall nutritional value without going into specifics. Fruit is very high in sugar and will make you put on weight if yu eat lots of it and arent active enough to burn off the sugars within your blood.Any that isnt used up will be stored as fat.

If you eat meat fish or eggs as a snack instead for example( this is only for explanation purposes I dont expect you to do this everyday!) you will use the fat in them as energy but rarely will you eat so much of these foods that you would put weight on from eating these foods alone. they do not contain enough fat in order for you to store it due to you not exercising enough.

smoke free lee wrote (see)

I thought fruit was good for you, and has for suger I run upto 2 hrs at a time don't I need suger just for energy.

No you don't really need sugar for energy - but this is not a short discussion Lee.  You can get energy from fat and from carbs. I don't think it is possible for an endurance athlete to be truly low carb (unless they follow an inuit-like super high fat diet and never go above their aerobic zone and quite frankly - YUCK!).  But I don't think you need to live on sugar either. You can be an endurance athlete, eat a clean diet (i.e. no processed foods, low in sugar) but high in veg then fruit then lean protein and the carb sources of your choice (assuming no gluten issues).  

I do think that I  can't live without sugar - but that is my personal preference and also training for an ironman or marathon - gels come in kind of a handy.

Or is it splitting hairs to say that gels aren't 'sugar' exactly as they are usually a combination of glucose, dextrose, maltodextrose and sometimes fructose rather than sucrose.

mmm Avit - I think you need to learn a bit more about this before you start pretending to understand it. Are you seriously telling me you think you know about a low carb diet but don't know about carb cycling.

 I would refer you to 'The Paleo diet for athletes' as a starter for 10.

avit wrote (see)

Stevie G . wrote (see)

Avit, reading your other threads, you need to find a way to take some of this knowledge to aid your running, as seems you're struggling a bit on that score.

Lol ok big man, sorry didnt realise you need a fancy RW profile pic, entry reviews and 10k posts to provide great advice on diet, perhaps you should get off your backside and run more instead of posting 10k times on here....

Yeah sorry mate, you're clearly right, my 60miles a week is pretty darn lazy of me.

And all these carbs make me a right bloater

GymAddict wrote (see)

No you don't really need sugar for energy - but this is not a short discussion Lee.  You can get energy from fat and from carbs. I don't think it is possible for an endurance athlete to be truly low carb (unless they follow an inuit-like super high fat diet and never go above their aerobic zone and quite frankly - YUCK!).  But I don't think you need to live on sugar either. You can be an endurance athlete, eat a clean diet (i.e. no processed foods, low in sugar) but high in veg then fruit then lean protein and the carb sources of your choice (assuming no gluten issues).  

 

I do think that I  can't live without sugar - but that is my personal preference and also training for an ironman or marathon - gels come in kind of a handy.

 

Or is it splitting hairs to say that gels aren't 'sugar' exactly as they are usually a combination of glucose, dextrose, maltodextrose and sometimes fructose rather than sucrose.

totally agree with you here, except the last bit as all of those you listed are sugars.....

I dont profess to know every published term such as your carb cycling but I do profess to understand how the body works and if you explained this to me I could prob offer far more of an understanding than yourself, however this is not the place, that is the place of PM discussions if you so wish.

GymAddict wrote (see)

No you don't really need sugar for energy - but this is not a short discussion Lee.  You can get energy from fat and from carbs. I don't think it is possible for an endurance athlete to be truly low carb (unless they follow an inuit-like super high fat diet and never go above their aerobic zone and quite frankly - YUCK!).  But I don't think you need to live on sugar either. You can be an endurance athlete, eat a clean diet (i.e. no processed foods, low in sugar) but high in veg then fruit then lean protein and the carb sources of your choice (assuming no gluten issues).  

 

I do think that I  can't live without sugar - but that is my personal preference and also training for an ironman or marathon - gels come in kind of a handy.

 

Or is it splitting hairs to say that gels aren't 'sugar' exactly as they are usually a combination of glucose, dextrose, maltodextrose and sometimes fructose rather than sucrose.

Stevie G . wrote (see)

avit wrote (see)

Stevie G . wrote (see)

Avit, reading your other threads, you need to find a way to take some of this knowledge to aid your running, as seems you're struggling a bit on that score.

Lol ok big man, sorry didnt realise you need a fancy RW profile pic, entry reviews and 10k posts to provide great advice on d

avit wrote (see)

Stevie G . wrote (see)

Avit, reading your other threads, you need to find a way to take some of this knowledge to aid your running, as seems you're struggling a bit on that score.

Lol ok big man, sorry didnt realise you need a fancy RW profile pic, entry reviews and 10k posts to provide great advice on diet, perhaps you should get off your backside and run more instead of posting 10k times on here....

Jason Wintin wrote (see)

Avit your diet sounds crazy!! Doesn't sound like a diet for a runner at all!

How much knowledge in this field do you have??

Cutting out sugars is practically impossible, and a meat only diet..... Come on!!

You make out like every food is bad apart from meat. Sounds about like a weightlifter friend I have!!!

It is a drastic measure and I have to admit I eat sugars but that would be the answer to the OP's question. If you eating food provided by nature you wont go far wrong, however alot of people underestimate the value of meat. Im not a chicken leg captain upperbody weight lifter at all but I do advise you eat more meat than you are doing. Carbs are not as neccesary as you think for the average runner. Try it for a month and you will see.

GymAddict wrote (see)

Avit - if you read the replies on page one - most folks are telling the OP that it is having too much body fat that is preventing his 6-pack and a couple mention curbing the usual 'carb' habit that runners and endurance athletes have.  You are not telling us anything we don't know here.

 

However - an endurance athlete can 'get away' with a lot more junk(i.e crap carbs and sugar) in their diet than the average bod.  If you know how the body works - then you should know why this is. 

If the OP wants a six pack it is more than likely he will need to cut down his carbs.... I think he got that message.

 

In response to the footballer having half a loaf before a match -!!!  If they do need to practice calorie/carb restriciton (which I doubt) it is more likely they carb cycle and have it afterwards as the resultant energy slump from the insulin reponse to the bread pre-match would not be ideal although perhaps a few hours would be long enough - certainly doesn't sound like the kind of things a sports nutritionist would recommend - especially one with a primal/paleo ideaology.

Not quite sure what your point is in the first few paragraphs as you're just reiterating my points. However the in reference to the last paragraph. The footballer as an example, would burn off the sugars in the bread throughout the match. He wouldnt have an insulin slump at all. He would if he ate a carb then didnt burn it off, such as like what you said about eating carbs after an event..

I havent mentioned anything about deliberate calorie restriction, if you need energy then eat carbs... simple. As for eating just before the match its a myth, it wouldnt matter too much, why do tennis players eat bannanas during a match???

yeah and the 100 miles a week I cycle, the 6 hours of karate I do and the 20 miles of running I do makes me a couch potatoe. If you want to be as immature as to compare how much we do to see you is the bigger man thne you can go fish, because I see enough of you so called professional runners who run X number of miles a week, but funnily enough you never see you on tv despite you being such a superhuman action hero....

What about gels then?

Avit you can't spell potato.

Ah, but it was you who tried to link my post count to some perceived laziness.

Stick around for 10years on here and you might rack the posts up. There's people on here who have 100,000+ posts old son....they run as well apparently!

ps Ric, is that the worst attempt at using the quote facility ever seen on this forum

Do you deliberately misunderstand or don't you bother to read the posts properly.  Do you understand what the term 'splitting hairs' means?