Why don't they only give the top half of the field a medal in HM's and marathon

Eggyh73 wrote (see)

Wilkie wrote (see)

What DO you mean, David? 

Anyhoo - it's a serious question!

Kirsty says that she's trained as hard as everyone else, but I question that assertion.  I'm just inviting her to tell us firstly how she knows what training everyone else has done, and what training she has done.

I think I'll have a long wait for an answer, though.

For a new runner getting out and doing any miles can be just as hard (if not harder) and take just as much time as an experienced runner who is doing 60 miles a week.

Nice to see the same elitist idiots still attacking and belittling those new to our sport.

Oh god, what have I started!!

Ok this is the one and only time Im going to make a sensible post here, so enjoy.

I think in Wilkie's defence she recognises that there are variances in terms of 'effort' ...... for instance someone that just started running say a month ago, if they are now running say 2 miles every other day, most of us would recognize that as a decent effort and even Wilkie wouldn't expect Kirstie to be putting up 10 / 20 mile long runs on the weekend.

But by the same token, lets say Kirstie has been running for 3 months ....... but only goes running every other day, and maybe can do 1 mile at say 6mph before having to walk because 'its a bit hard', then you can't just say that they are putting in the same effort as everyone else.

You are right Eggy in terms of not attacking newbies coming in etc, but at the same time there are a lot of people who think they are putting in a decent effort because they trot along on the treadmill for 10 minutes every other day, when really they need to be upping the ante as they go along.

It works both ways, yes we can't attack anyone taking up running, but at the same time you cant just come along here and go 'I train as hard as everyone else' when patently you dont, and not just in the overall effort, but even in terms of the effort you are putting in compared to what you should be doing at your particular level of training.

Wilkie wrote (see)

I don't say you're not training, but really, you are NOT actually training as hard as everyone else.

Getting of the sofa and out the door can be hard, but it does not amount to TRAINING hard.

 

Eliist twaddle overload.

Training hard depends on your fitness, condition and experience. Most of us experienced runners could go out and breeze ten miles at a decent pace and hardly break a sweat. Someone new to the sport could go run three miles and feel like they've gone ten rounds with Mike Tyson mentally and physically. Training hard is an individual thing relative to that persons ability at the time.

My experience was the first few months of running were by far the hardest training I did. Not in terms of miles, or pace, but just gaining that basic fitness level and mental toughness. The hardest of my training runs since haven't battered me anywhere near as much as those runs did no matter how much effort and commitment I've put in.

Time take take off the elitist cap and open your eyes to the world. Not every runner is a top tier runner for what ever reason and that doesn't mean they aren't giving their all. The crap your spouting is the very thing that puts people off even trying our sport. People looking down their noses at others.

Oh god, everyone is attacking everyone else now, this is not what I wanted at all ........ I feel really bad.

Eggyh73 wrote (see)

Wilkie wrote (see)

I don't say you're not training, but really, you are NOT actually training as hard as everyone else.

Getting of the sofa and out the door can be hard, but it does not amount to TRAINING hard.

Training hard is an individual thing relative to that persons ability at the time.

+1 to that.

David Falconer 3 wrote (see)

Oh god, everyone is attacking everyone else now, this is not what I wanted at all ........ I feel really bad.

You'll have to stock up on bait soon.

mattywarr wrote (see)

Eggyh73 wrote (see)

Wilkie wrote (see)

I don't say you're not training, but really, you are NOT actually training as hard as everyone else.

Getting of the sofa and out the door can be hard, but it does not amount to TRAINING hard.

Training hard is an individual thing relative to that persons ability at the time.

+1 to that.

True, but peoples perception of 'training hard' can still be false.

Why should you give someone credit for 'training hard' when they give up at the first sign of being breathless, compared to those at a similar fitness level who ignore the voice in their head to stop and keep going.

In all honesty, and without taking the P, Im with Wilkie on this one.

WiB wrote (see)

David Falconer 3 wrote (see)

Oh god, everyone is attacking everyone else now, this is not what I wanted at all ........ I feel really bad.

You'll have to stock up on bait soon.

I think Ive used it all up on this thread alone.

Thank you Lord for sending me Kirstie! I was beginning to worry my act had run out of steam.

Eggyh73 wrote (see)

Wilkie wrote (see)

I don't say you're not training, but really, you are NOT actually training as hard as everyone else.

Getting of the sofa and out the door can be hard, but it does not amount to TRAINING hard.

 

Eliist twaddle overload.

Training hard depends on your fitness, condition and experience. Most of us experienced runners could go out and breeze ten miles at a decent pace and hardly break a sweat. Someone new to the sport could go run three miles and feel like they've gone ten rounds with Mike Tyson mentally and physically. Training hard is an individual thing relative to that persons ability at the time.

My experience was the first few months of running were by far the hardest training I did. Not in terms of miles, or pace, but just gaining that basic fitness level and mental toughness. The hardest of my training runs since haven't battered me anywhere near as much as those runs did no matter how much effort and commitment I've put in.

Time take take off the elitist cap and open your eyes to the world. Not every runner is a top tier runner for what ever reason and that doesn't mean they aren't giving their all. The crap your spouting is the very thing that puts people off even trying our sport. People looking down their noses at others.

I wasn't looking down my nose, I was questioning Kirsty's opinion that she trains as hard as everyone else.  She can't KNOW how hard everyone else trains, so she's making a sweeping generalisation, and it was that I was taking her to task over.

I didn't say that she DIDN'T train hard, I just asked her how she knew what everyone else was doing, and what she was doing (which she didn't actually answer in the end).  

Taxi Driver wrote (see)

Kirsty -- This forum is full of tw*ts, smart arses, trolls, etc (and I'm not even including DF3 in that) and attacking newbies is their second sport... Welcome aboard

I would have written up the post like this ......

"Kirsty -- This forum is full of tw*ts, smart arses, trolls, etc ... but enough about DF3 ....."

Oh my god, now Im giving out comedy writing tips to people. I really should run a course.

Taxi Driver wrote (see)

DF3 -- Any thoughts on a two-tier goody bag?

I might stick to safer topics like say Oscar Pisterious.

Flump 85 wrote (see)

I wonder if David behaves the way he does because he is so frustrated about his inability to ever satisfy a woman?

I would hazard a guess its more likely to be the case he can't even satisfy himself !

Kirsty Paintain wrote (see)

but i'm going to stick with my ironman personal trainer

ironman personal trainer = training harder than everyone else.

Taxi Driver wrote (see)

DF3 -- You have your comedy moments granted... But I wouldn't quit your day job... It gives you plenty of time to goof around online for a start

skotty wrote (see)

Kirsty Paintain wrote (see)

but i'm going to stick with my ironman personal trainer

ironman personal trainer = training harder than everyone else.

= I need a babysitter because im too lazy to be entrusted to exercise on my own.