Why would an average marathon runner such as Claire Squires take drugs to...

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31/01/2013 at 10:31
kittenkat wrote (see)

I was in assumption mood, as I always am on the last Wednesday of the month. The first piece (in The Guardian) this morning is fine, we'll see if there are any follow up articles.

Do you not sometimes think it might be a good idea to diarise stepping away from the keyboard for a day or so?  That really was some incredible display of frothy-mouthed rant-spewing yesterday.

Screamapillar wrote (see)

How do you know what problems those people that were treated were suffering from though? Mostly things that can happen to any runner at any time I'll bet - chafing, blisters and pulled muscles.

30 hospitalised out of 35,000 is not that many  - less than 1%

I'd be (vaguely) interested to see a break-down of those figures myself.  My abiding memory of seeing St John Ambulance out on the course involved lots of people in uniforms with an outstretched arm wearing a marigold covered in Vaseline.  Take 2,500 sore nipples out of the equation and the figures don't look quite so dramatic.

31/01/2013 at 10:40
PhilPub wrote (see)
I'd be (vaguely) interested to see a break-down of those figures myself.  My abiding memory of seeing St John Ambulance out on the course involved lots of people in uniforms with an outstretched arm wearing a marigold covered in Vaseline.  Take 2,500 sore nipples out of the equation and the figures don't look quite so dramatic.

I was going to say something similar about the Vaseline.  I think also that the very fact that the St John Ambulance was there caused some people to make use of them.  If they weren't there, some runners wouldn't have used them (obviously) but still got around.  By the way, I think that St John Ambulance do a great job so I hope no one misinterprets what I've said there.

Regarding the ballot, as far as I'm concerned it's the organiser's race so they can do what they want.  For many first-time (and possibly only time) marathoners it's the race they want to do and I can't really find a reason to argue with that.  There are plenty of other marathons after all.

31/01/2013 at 10:47

David   Events thread  VLM place going begging

31/01/2013 at 10:48
David Falconer 3 wrote (see)

I can ......would you like to hear them?

No thanks...I suspect it's the same old stuff that is often written about the subject.

31/01/2013 at 10:50

"Claire was always in the gym, where this stuff was being widely talked about,"

To be fair to Amelia the gym angle isn't a story because it has been done to death.

However much I want a PB there is no way I am risking a smaller dick.

31/01/2013 at 10:53
David Falconer 3 wrote (see)

Phil wouldn't seek treatment if his left leg was falling off. He looks hard as nails in that pic of his.


I've mislaid the photo of my blood-gushing nipple from FLM '07*.  Schoolboy error, the Micropor tape came off after about 3 miles but I though nothing of it till spilling Lucozade down my chest at 25 miles.  F*^*^*!!!

And I'd rather people's box-ticking interactions with St John Ambulance went over-reported than under-reported. Can't see anything wrong with using a 20 second pit-stop to get yer crotch Vas'd up if it means you can finish the race in comfort, and maybe a small number of people end up getting treated for something more serious, who wouldn't have stopped in the first place.

*I got in on the ballot, first time.  What a great system! 

31/01/2013 at 10:53
David Falconer 3 wrote (see)
4850 people sought treatment ......... if you need to seek treatment for a bit of chaffing, you should not be running marathons. Im sorry, but at some point we need to draw a line in the sand where we say 'Oh so you think you can run 26 miles, but a bit of chaffing and you go round looking for the nearest medic to help you.'

Maybe Ive been hanging around the Telegraph and Mail forums too long, but at some point you need to man up. Remember that person who is off seeking help for a bit of chaffing has just taken up a spot that someone else who isn't a wimp could have taken.


David Falconer 3 wrote (see)
PhilPub wrote (see)
 Take 2,500 sore nipples out of the equation and the figures don't look quite so dramatic.

You know that 99% of people who were 'treated' were for nothing more than what my 6 year old son would call an 'owie' .... it works both ways, you have wimps who say 'Oh Im a bit tired, treat me someone .....' and also from the St Johns point of view, everytime they hand out a band aid they tick a box that says 'Another person 'treated''.

Its all just a numbers game.

I''ve used St John's Ambulance before at the end of a half-marathon, because I felt sick at the end and thought I'd just go in the St John's tent since it was there, to be on the safe side. I had a nice glass of water and a sit-down, and actually felt fine before they'd even filled the form in, but I was still glad they were there, and I'm sure I'd count as a statistic for people who'd been 'treated'.

Anyway, I think it's fair enough that they count me as someone they've helped, but I also don't think I need to, er, 'man up'.

31/01/2013 at 10:56
literatin wrote (see)
 I'm sure I'd count as a statistic


I'm not a number I'm a... Oh hang on I am a number in a race

31/01/2013 at 11:03

I expect that a large number of the people treated by SJA were ones who went over to the vans after the marathon to borrow an ice pack for a bit or see if they could get a blister plaster.

Anyway, I don't agree that seeking first aid during a race is the sign of a wimp but glad to see that your controversial posts have resumed

31/01/2013 at 11:17

As like LTS above I have not read the full thread.

Given the size of any race you will have any number of runners' on drugs of some sort for bona-fide health reasons. Most of those drugs will be illegal for 'athletic' purposes. If I am placed 2000 in a marathon I don't care if the runner 1999 had a drug I just say "Well done" . It is none of my business what other runners need to keep them healthy and participate in sport. It is not for me to say that is misuse. Of course I don't want somebody dropping dead but people can drop dead without being on drugs.

The athletes participate at their own risk and I am sure organisers are aware and assume that participants understand what they are doing. In the athletic world the only real interest is in the 'elite' and the 'young pretenders'.

Anyway I ran Manchester some years ago and much to my dismay itbs started about halfway. I stopped at St John Ambulance hoping someone might help (e.g. massage) - they all looked at each other blankly but one young girl enthusiastically jumped up and shouted "Vaseline!".  Made my day, I laugh about it even now.

31/01/2013 at 11:19

Very good point Xine.

And David, if you really think that someone with chafing, or beeding nipples should "man up" rather than popping over for some vaseline and a plaster, and you also think that if they do they are "not worthy" of their place then you really are a kn*b. But then I've said that twice now. I'd rather not say it a third time but I will if I have to.

By the way, apart from anything else, the VLM is run in great spirit by runners of ages and abilities. One thing I have to say about you is that with your attitude, even if you do get a place one day, you won't fit in. It might stop you whingeing though, which would be something to be thankful for.


Edited: 31/01/2013 at 11:21
31/01/2013 at 11:37

When I ran VLM and saw those very intimidating SJA people in uniforms with rubber gloves holding large lumps of vaseline and evil smiles on their faces,I ran to the other side of the road as I thought they were going to tell me to pull my shorts down and bend over.........

By the way, should I stop using gels with caffeine as I have an enlarged heart-caused by running lots , my consultant cardiologist told me?

31/01/2013 at 11:40
I get heart problems every time I see a woman in uniform
31/01/2013 at 11:40

I'm not sure that adding a stimulant into the mix during a race when your heart is already working hard is the wisest thing ,but please check with your cardiologist!

seren nos    pirate
31/01/2013 at 11:56

I take caffiene gels as they do not provide coca cola and i can't go more than a couple of hours awake without some

31/01/2013 at 12:01

There are some studies on caffeine as a supplement to aid endurance - hence the reason it is popping up in lots of gels now.


I believe it is said to improve fat metabolism thereby prolonging glycogen stores - but I haven't looking into it much as I cannot tolerate caffeine whilst exercising.

31/01/2013 at 12:02
David Falconer 3 wrote (see)

Im not being funny but why do people think you need caffeine during a marathon ....... your heart is already racing. Yes you need energy, but you don't need a stimulant. It does make you wondr how many other people are out there doing these kind of things just assuming 'If I take caffeine, its the same as energy, therefore it will be good for me.'

(I'm not an expert, but...) in the latter stages of a marathon, when you start to fatigue it can actually be a struggle to maintain a particular heart rate, so for the healthy person there probably aren't any dangers in this regard from taking a caffeinated gel, which will provide a stimulus to make you more alert (thereby counteracting the depletion of glycogen supply from the liver to the brain) as well as giving you a boost of energy.  As far as I'm aware, that's the theory unless anyone knows any better. 


31/01/2013 at 12:02
31/01/2013 at 12:03
It really crazy and bewildering that people think they need stimulants to run a marathon but if you look on threads such as the Brighton marathon you will find all these self appointed experts ( having ran last years in 6 hours) advocating caffeine drinks and popping Ibuprofen along the way.

There are an awful lot of mugs out there that take everything at face value and never question anything
31/01/2013 at 12:04

so where does this put my Clif Shot Bloks in the range of nutrition/stimulants.

As far as i can tell they contain a bit of sugar, caffeine and salt. and not much of that, for the price. i guess if i ate 20 packs of them in a race it might send my HR up a bit.

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