Biophotonic scanner....

measuring your antioxidant levels

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11/11/2004 at 12:15
Folks, I had a test the other night at my health club. It was a scanner, made by a co. called Pharmanex, that measured you carotenoid antioxidant levels - not quite sure what they are though! I got a really good Skin Carotenoid Score (apparently) of 55,000, which was pleasing as I do eat lots of fruit and veg and take supplements. Anyone else ever done this and or know anything more about the subject? LL
11/11/2004 at 13:53
Hi Lindy, I also had this done and got a score of over 50,000 (can't remember exactly). It very useful to be able to find out how high your antioxidant levels are, as it can indicate how well your body is able to deal with the "baddies" like free radicals which can damage normal cells. When you do a lot of sport, you levels of free radicals increase but so do your level of antioxidants to compensate...
11/11/2004 at 13:56
Sounds really interesting - it is true that high intensity exercise will increase the free radicals in your body. Do you know what is a satisfactory/good/disastrous score on this test? I always wonder whether I should take a supplement (ACD, garlic oil etc) to increase my antioxidant level.
11/11/2004 at 14:01
Frisky - 10k - 20k was the lowest on the scale. Then there were two other 'levels', 20k - 30k, and 30k - 40k. Anything over 40k was the highest level.

Parrotmad, that is good then. Do you supplement your diet with pills etc, or do you get yours all from food? LL
11/11/2004 at 14:35
Did the people operating the machine explain much else to you? I'm a bit sceptical as to what exactly these scanners are suppose to tell you. There is no scientifically determined levels of what is good or bad, and they are one of the few nutrients that most people are not lacking in.
11/11/2004 at 16:56
Unfortunately it was all a bit hurried, and I didn’t have time to stay for much of the post-scan chat. I have no doubt that I would have been asked to think about buying their products – a number of vitamin/supplement packs on offer – although they would have had to try harder with me as I had a high score! I assume they would have gone into the science of it too.
04/01/2013 at 12:05

Hi I am interested in this, I agree it's not great having a random person carrying out the test, and then not be able to use evidence to back up the mechanisms.  And if they are selling products too that doesn't sound convincing, did you have to pay for the test?  was it expensive?

Oops just realised it's a really old thread....any comments welcome though as I am looking to get mine checked and want to know how much it costs.

S

04/01/2013 at 13:31

do people really fall for this nonsene???

if you look at the science behind this then it's flawed - big time.

the scanner works - no doubt about that - but all it does is tell you what the concentration of your skin carotenoids are.  carotenoids (beta-carotene and lycopene mainly) are only part of the antioxidant equation and to do any good - IF they do any good and the jury is very much out on that - they need to be intracellular or in the bloodstream, not the skin.   they may help prevent some skin damage in the skin but they are not going to help elsewhere.

and at the end of the day, the company promoting this scanner only wants to sell you supplements so that your skin levels are fine.  and in 1997 the parent company, Nu-skin, were fined by the FTC in the US for misleading claims on supplements they sold.

it's complete and utter pseudo-scientific bollocks - don't waste your money

21/01/2014 at 05:39

am I to assume that fat buddha has a scientific background?  the company is a $3.4billion leader in anti-aging and nutrition.  Fact.  They only ever claim that their scanner measures skin carotenoid levels but perhaps you missed this report by Reuters. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/08/05/idUS120850+05-Aug-2008+PRN20080805

Research Presented at 15th International Symposium on Carotenoids PROVO, Utah, Aug. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Scientists from Nu Skin Enterprises, Inc. (NYSE: NUS), presented results and consistency of findings from two large studies at the 15th International Symposium on Carotenoids in Okinawa, Japan. The research concludes that skin carotenoid levels measured with the Pharmanex(R) BioPhotonic Scanner correlate with, and are a good indication of, the body's overall antioxidant defense system. Carotenoids are pigments that are primarily found in fruits and vegetables and have been the focus of intense research to determine their importance in human health.

The point I want to make is that it isn't science, if it can't be measured. Hope this helps add some genuine perspective.

cougie    pirate
21/01/2014 at 08:58
Yes you are to assume that.

And one study that indicates some kind of correlation ? Hardly convincing.

Sounds like snake oil to me.
21/01/2014 at 09:30

blogvoice - as it happens, yes I am a scientist - biochemist in fact and my degree research thesis was on carotenoids, so I think I can speak with some authority on the subject

and that "report" by Reuters - it's a press release from 2008.  a Press Release carries no scientific authority. and where's the links to the peer reviewed data???  oh - there isn't any??  quelle surprise....

frankly I couldn't give a flying fuck if NuSkin is a $3.4billion company - or that you have an association with them "About me: Extensive background in marketing (health, beauty, nutrition) working independently with Pharmanex - Nu Skin." (from your RW profile).  as I said before, Nu-skin are using classic tactics (pseudo-science) to promote their nutrition products - that's all it comes down to.

the simple fact is that the health, beauty and nutrition industry is not exactly renowned for it's scientific rigour and sadly is poorly controlled - think of all the guff that cosmetic companies spout about serums, anti-aging compounds etc - it's complete and utter rubbish with no scientific baseline

I guess you could say, you won't be getting any money from me for a scan....

21/01/2014 at 14:24

You have a lovely turn of phrase and why you have to respond with profanity is beyond me.  I am simply pointing out facts.  I agree with you about the difference between marketing hype and scientific fact and I agree that the industry on the whole is not controlled.  So I am not sure what you actually know about the scientific credentials of this company or their research.  If you had done you would have seen that product is manufactured to much higher standards.

http://www.nuskin.com/content/nuskin/en_US/corporate/company/science/6s_quality_process.html

As I scientist you will (should question your peer's papers or research methods but to say they have no scientific baseline, makes you look like a bit of an idiot - if you don't mind me saying.  You come across as being very bombastic and cynical. 

Experience has taught me that people will believe what they want to believe and yet you are saying you know more than these guys and that their reputation counts for nothing.  Fellow scientists.  You do surprise me.  

http://www.nuskin.com/en_US/corporate/company/science/sab.html

As I say you believe what you want to believe and maybe I know more about the science behind this company than you do.  And, no I don't care if you call yourself a scientist.  And a rude one at that.  

 

Pudge    pirate
21/01/2014 at 15:23

Is this the same Nuskin currently being investigated by various regulators?

21/01/2014 at 15:43
Blogvoice, how did you manage to stumble on this 10 year old thread?
It seems odd that your first 2 posts have appeared on this subject. Do you have any connection with the product?
cougie    pirate
21/01/2014 at 15:52
Ooh yes Pudge it might well be !

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/21/nuskin-chinaprobe-idUSL3N0KV3TR20140121

http://www.mlm-thetruth.com/research/mlm-statistics/nuskins-numbers/
21/01/2014 at 15:57

Millsy- taken from Mr Blogvoice's profile:

About me: Extensive background in marketing (health, beauty, nutrition) working independently with Pharmanex - Nu Skin. Former General Manager of two large International beauty companies. Manchester United supporter - recently taken up Golf
21/01/2014 at 16:08
Cheers Ferret, I still wonder how he found the thread. Is he sat at his PC constantly googling his own products?
Pudge    pirate
21/01/2014 at 16:19

Man U fan......nuff said.

21/01/2014 at 20:22

I really have no time to keep responding to this thread.  I thought this forum was for rational thinkers.  I have merely pointed out to fat buddha that he is both rude and doesn't have his facts. I don't need to Google my products I know them well enough.  It is far easier for me to find the relevant links to where people can find factual information about the scientific research behind this company.  Something that fat buddha had tried to discredit.

Clearly I know more about this company and what is happening around the world than anyone on this thread.  

Incidentally, I don't work for Nu Skin - I choose to work with them - for good reason. And I have not tried to hide the fact.  

However, I do ike the remark from Pudge though.  Perhaps a Liverpool fan

21/01/2014 at 20:42
How's your running going? What's your spring A race?
Seeing as it is a running forum.
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