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13/09/2007 at 22:52

EF, know where you're coming from re. FLM training getting serious just as you have to go back to work.  Not sure how mine is going to pan out yet, but am thinking I might do my long run early Sunday morning so I'm back around the time Kit wakes from his nap - although his naps may well have changed by then!  Idea though is to have as much of the day as possible with him.  Trying to think about how I could run home from work once a week to do the midweek semi-long run, and the other runs will just have to be fitted in at lunchtime at work or in the evening if they're 6 miles or less.  I have a secret dream of beating my last time but realistically I think aiming for sub-3:45 to guarantee another GFA place would be the most sensible option.  My 3:23 was achieved on 5 runs a week averaging 40-50 miles a week.  Now I can only manage 4 runs so that sort of mileage isn't an option.

Kit rolled over from back to front four times today - he finally seems to have got the hang of it without getting stuck halfway.  He still isn't interested in sitting though!  Funny how they progress in different ways - he has excellent fine motor skills and has been using the 'pincer' grip (thumb and forefinger) for a while now when picking up toys etc. and he is actually saying "Mum" at just 6.5 months, but when I try to encourage him to sit he just hurls himself backwards so he can lie down again!  He's such a happy little soul though, always smiling - I feel so blessed to have him.

14/09/2007 at 09:44

It does amaze me how different they are Minks. When you have twins its really noticeable. Harry is very observant, and very dextrous with his hands, whereas Joshie seems to be more vocal, again said Mum and Dad very early on and is very strong on his legs, can stand now on his own for 5 seconds, but does get scared and sits down.

I have two big smilers as well, the childminder loves having them, so happy. They only grumble when they have reason, usually cos mummy is out and about and its lunchtime and they are hungry!

Off to inlaws this weekend/this afternoon, the journey is awful down to Somerset, fingers crossed traffic will be OK.

14/09/2007 at 11:31

Minks and EF - I know it seems daunting but I'm sure you'll both be able to manage fitting in the training and spending time with your little ones - Minks, sounds like you've put a lot of thought into it already.  It's not quite the same, but last year DH and I both managed to train for the NY marathon with both of us working and 2 children to look after (and we organised our wedding at the same time!) - admittedly the children are older and I worked part-time so the situation is a bit different.  However, I'm hoping we can do the same again for FLM - we had to be really organised for NY and plan each weeks training well in advance, so I'm hoping we can do the same again.  I did end up doing some runs at stupid o'clock in the morning (and I am not a morning person!) but even that was OK if it meant I could tick off the run on my schedule. I've just sent off my application form and cheque for FLM - was very excited about it!

Eddie and I have just been for a 3 mile walk in the lovely sunshine - he slept happily the whole time, and he's asleep again now. I think this means he'll be awake for a lot of the afternoon - hopefully our planned garden centre trip later will entertain him (DS1 has been looking forward to going to the garden centre all week - he's currently very keen on gardening!).

MM - hope you have a lovely weekend with your inlaws and the journey's OK. 

14/09/2007 at 15:20

 Hey all, I'm a lurker.  Love reading the posts but never really have time to send any in as I'm at work full time. It's always nice to read from like minded people.

My little one will be a year at the end of this month I cannot believe how quickly it has gone.
I've had full time help the whole year so have not really been good with routines. However, my help comes to an end the week after his birthday and I fear I have some hard work ahead of me with getting him into a decent sleep routine. I might have to order a copy of the baby whisperer as he still wakes up at night for a bottle.  Does anyone know if it will be of any help for older babies?

I am also hoping to do the FLM next year although I haven't sent back my form yet.  I did it last year which was not the best idea I'd ever had with a 4 mth old at home.
I managed to get through 50% of the training with lots of help from hubby, in-laws and babysitters.  Not sure how much support I'll get from my hubby this year, he's already complained about how much time it takes up but we'll see.  

JT - With regards to baby weight issues I've found health professionals reluctant to do anything once a baby is healthy and alert.  Although I have to admit they do seem to be right most times I have been worried.  I would not worry too much about the chart readings, but if your gut feel is that something is not quite right do not let it go.

14/09/2007 at 21:33

Janie, how old is Ted now?  I'd cautiously suggest that a 3.5oz gain per week is a bit low at this stage.  I don't think you should worry unduly but if he's dropping way below his centile line, there may be a need to see the GP.  I would say you're right in thinking it's likely to be to do with him being very sicky.  Do you think he could have reflux?  Kit's birthweight put him on the 75th centile but since then he's followed the 25th - which is probably more realistic given that neither hubby nor I are particularly big.  I'd agree with Tonia though - as long as the baby appears healthy and is alert, HVs never seem to be that concerned.  There are some good ones at our clinic and also a couple of pretty useless ones.  I was trying to discuss Kit's excessive pooing earlier this week with one of the HVs on Tuesday, but she just kept telling me how bright, happy and alert Kit is (which I know - I'm his mum!) and didn't appear to listen to a word I was saying.  If your instinct tells you there might be a problem, go with it and insist they listen and take you seriously.

Sarahbob, you've really inspired me with your talk of training for the NY marathon.  Where there's a will, there's a way.  I'm determined to fit in my training and still spend as much time as I want to with Kit.  Photocopied my 2006 FLM results and my passport today so will send off for my GFA application form next week. 

MM, hope your journey to Somerset is OK.  I hate the journey to my in-laws too: they live in mid-Wales which is beautiful, but once off the M54 it's almost all single-carriageway A-roads and we invariably get stuck behind a tractor or someone who won't go above 30mph.  We made the mistake of going the day before Good Friday at Easter and the journey took us nearly 7 hours (it usually takes just over 4).  Admittedly we had to stop a few times as Kit was only 6 weeks old but 'nightmare' doesn't cover it!

15/09/2007 at 08:20

JT, my sister's 4 children were all very little and gained little weight compared to others.  Her first HV really panicked her making her think there was something wrong.  By the time no 4 came along and the same thing happened everyone was much more relaxed.  The HV even told a trainee before arriving that the baby would seem very light but would be fine!  I think it is good that you keep an eye on it and keep bringing it up but as everyone says if he is bright a cheerful he might still just be fiding the percentile that he will be on.

 My sister and husband are both quite tall and have tiny babies, my husband and I are quite small and have a monster sized baby so it does not always work out the way you imagine.

What percenile is he on with his height?  I guess if they are similar then that is a good sign too.

Also, he is gaining weight, maybe slower than you want or expect, but he is going in the right direction.

My friend's little one is over 2 yrs old, purely breastfed to start and always 'causing concern due to his weight' my wee boy weighed almost the same as him at 6months!  He is bright ad great fun.  The only problem is that lighter ones seem to take off earlier and be speedier! 

15/09/2007 at 22:06

Tonia, there's a sequel book for the baby whisperer, The Baby Whisperer solves all your problems, - that might possibly be better for you rather than the original though I have both and found some nuggets in each of them.  We're kind of following a combo Baby Whisperer cum Gina Ford.  Can't do the 7am feed and the rigidity of Gina Ford but some of what she says makes sense and to be honest a lot of it is similar to Baby Whisperer.  As a general rule we are doing Eat Activity Sleep - and then the time for You part sort of happens though personally I don't think washing, ironing, sterilising should count as time for me but hey ho, at least I get the chance to do it! 

think Louise is having a growth spurt again, she's demanding food a lot more - it's an effort to keep her to 3hrs and so she's been getting fed approx every 2.5hrs - and is eating stacks more at each feed.  She normally takes 150ml  of expressed milk but is taking 180 - 200ml and is on my boob for about an hour.  This happened all yesterday and today so hoping that's us through it. 

On Wed we saw the Doc for a follow up app after 6 week check.  she decided to refer Louise due to concerns about her hip.  I got a call on Thursday from Sick Kids asking us to go in on the Friday at 2pm!!  What service!  We went in and although she had some markers to indicate a problem, such as an extra skin fold on her thigh, ultrasound showed that her hip is normal.  Phew as although it only involves a foam splint, I really couldn't face it. 

Janie, what about expressing a second time and giving Ted two feeds from the bottle.  I do that and I feel that at least I know Louise gets two really decent sized feeds then.  I've cheated today and she had a bottle at 5ish and at 8ish and will get one at 11pm too.  I also give her one in the middle of the night!  I just make sure that I express whenever she has a bottle as that will keep my body remembering that my baby needs a feed then.  I do know though that a girl in my ante natal class, her baby has only gained 1lb since birth and that was at 7 weeks.  The health visitors are not worried about her either, saying that Rachel was probably bigger at birth than she's meant to be and that she's just adjusting to her "proper" size. 

17/09/2007 at 10:02

I wouldn't worry too much Janie, but of course best to see your GP if its worrying you a lot. My two were tiny babes at only 4.5lbs each at birth. They did put on the 6-8oz a week that is suggested, but are still pretty small. They were pretty sicky babies, but didn't have reflux. If you think he has reflux it can be treated with infant gaviscon, or have you tried infacol. Gaviscon made my two more sick, but then they didn't really have reflux, just general sickiness, which still sometimes happens although is decreasing thank goodness. Harry is now on only the 2nd centile and Joshie on the 9th, so still pretty small.

Journey there was pretty awful. Boys didn't get their tea till 6pm, an hour late, had to pass back bits of bread and raisins in the car ( the joy of forward facing seats!), but back home was OK. Both come home with bad colds though, have been up with Joshie last night he has very upset and so snotty.

Right off to Tesco!

17/09/2007 at 15:34

Hello all!

VERY quick hello as there's so much to catch up on, both on here and at home! I will be back to tell all about our first holiday experience when I have the chance...good bits and bad bits...and a not so lovely holiday memento: food poisoning, feeling weak, so might lie down and have some more Lucozade Sport!

Catch up soon,

A x

17/09/2007 at 22:00

Janie, glad that you listened to your instincts and saw the GP.  I was going to mention the infant Gaviscon to you as a couple of the mums in my antenatal group have very sicky babies and use it all the time, but they bottle-feed which obviously makes it easier as you just dissolve the Gaviscon in the baby's normal formula.  Unless you're expressing I wasn't sure you could use it if breastfeeding.  Hope it works and stops poor little Ted from being so sicky.

AP, poor you with the food poisoning.  Looking forward to hearing all about your holiday!

EF, what was the suspected problem with Louise's hip?  She wasn't breech, was she?  We had to have a routine hip scan when Kit was about 8 weeks as he was breech.  Apparently dislocated hips are common in breech babies because of their position in the uterus but luckily Kit's were fine.  I didn't honestly think there was a problem as he kicked his little legs loads from the word 'go' and there was never any 'clicking' when he moved his legs.

MM, that reminds me of the first journey we did with Kit to my in-laws.  He was only 6 weeks and about 6 miles from their house we got stuck in traffic.  Kit's feed was already running late as the journey had been horrendous, and he was screaming blue murder in the back of the car.  I had to keep unbuckling my seat belt and kneeling on the seat facing the back of the car, to rummage around in his car seat (rear facing!) tring to find his dropped dummy and manoeuvre it back into his mouth.  Repeat ad nauseum until arrival at final destination

When we got there we had no spare sterilised bottles as I'd bought some disposable single-use ones to use with a carton of formula.  The disposable bottles were AWFUL.  The milk just flooded out and went everywhere - poor Kit couldn't regulate the flow.  We had to sterilise a bottle and then physically cut off the teat of the disposable to get the milk back out as once sealed you can't reopen them.  Kit screaming all the while!  We soon learned never to go anywhere without a spare sterilised bottle!

Am still a bit concerned about Kit's bowel movements.  He seems to be doing 6+ dirty nappies a day which seems a bit excessive to me.  His bottom is OK but the skin either side of his testicles is red raw.  I change his nappy immediately after each bowel movement and make sure the area is completely dry, then slather on Sudacrem but by the end of the day the skin looks so sore.  When I mentioned it at the clinic last week the HV just said he was probably teething.  He may well be but still feel he's doing too many poos!  At the moment I'm experimenting with his diet to see whether there's anything that makes it worse - have cut out pear for the moment as have read that it can cause loose stools and he has it a couple of times a day usually - once in the morning with his porridge and once in the evening with his baby rice.  Today I gave him plain baby rice this evening and no fruit with his porridge this morning - will see whether he settles down over the next few days.  Oddly the first couple of weeks he was on solids we had the opposite problem - he was quite constipated.  So I guess he could be teething.  He's fine in himself - happy and smiley - so am not overly concerne, it's just exhausting for me constantly having to change nappies and is making going out a bit difficult as can't go anywhere that doesn't have changing facilities in case he has an explosion!

18/09/2007 at 08:35

Hello everyone, been reading all your posts, i would agree that HV are often a bit too keen to see babies staying on their centiles and think they overly worry mum's about their babies putting on weight.  Isla has been following the 75th centile for weight and even when she dipped of it a wee bit the HV was mentioning it, they had me worried one day as they went and got the dates wrong and marked her weight down at 15 weeks when she was only 13 weeks, stupid woman.  Found HV to be ok on the whole, but just really useful for basic info and most of the info they were able to give me i could have got of my sister (she has 3 under 5yo), anything else go see your GP.

 Anyway just really come on here for a moan, for those of you still on maternity leave, cherish it, this is my first day at work after a bad night and i just want to go back to bed.  Yesterday Isla was up at 5am for her feed and took an hour over it, then wouldn't go back to bed so tried taking her into the bed with us for a while, she just played with a toy, poked us and by 6.30am i gave up and took her downstairs and got ready for work, so never got any sleep after 5am.  Then last night she was up at 12.30, 1.30, then 3am, didn't help that the electric had gone off at 12.40 so had to go fumbling about for candles and feed her by candle light at 1.30am, then she was up at 6am for a feed and that was us up for the day, now i just want my bed !!!  Wouldn't be so bad but she is almost 11 months and usually sleeps quite well so not so used to disturbed nights any more.

18/09/2007 at 08:45

Is anyone else still breastfeeding at 11 months, i'm just a bit worried that Isla's got too used to being fed to sleep at night after reading some of your earlier posts.  At the minute she takes one or two big feeds at 7pm and falls asleep on the boob and that's usually her till about 5 or 6am.  If she wakes in the night (not very often) she usually needs a wee feed before she will go back to sleep but sometimes a cuddle is enough.  In the morning she wakes anytime between 5 and 6.30am and takes another big feed and never falls asleep after that.  She doesn't get any feeds during the day as i'm back at work and so far she won't drink formula, although she does drink water and juice throughout the day.

I really want to get her off the boob at 1 year old, but am just worried we're going to have a bit of a battle on our hands with getting her to sleep at night with no boob !

18/09/2007 at 09:08

Mrs O - I am an intruder from the Pregnant runners thread although I have two children already so I guess I can post here to. Anyway, regarding breastfeeding I breastfed both mine to 13 and 15 months and both were still feeding at night at 11 months although they both stopped between 11 and 12 months, the first because I just cut out the night feeds and the second just suddenly stopped of his own accord.

The second one used to go to sleep on the boob until about 12 months as well. I'd say if you're planning to wean completely at 1 then you could start trying to get her to stay awake during the 7pm feed now so you're not trying to cut out both the falling asleep on the boob and the boob at the same time. It'll probably be easier than you think it will be - I found with both mine that although they were both keen feeders and I was dreading how I was going to stop night feeds it wasn't actually that bad at all. By that stage it is more of a comfort thing (although I believe there is still nutritional value as well) but also by that stage they are easier to comfort in other ways as they are that bit older.

Anyway, good luck and hope you're not too tired at work today.

18/09/2007 at 09:45

Minks have you tried banana, that sometimes helps solidify things! Especially mixed with baby rice. Best also to use some bepathane or meconium while his bottie is a bit sore. Teething can really upset them, so it could be that especially the top teeth. But could be food, did he have any reaction to pear before, if not its unlikely? My two still react to strawberries, so laying off them until next summer.

Have no suggestions mrs o, but do really sympathise. My two loved the boob and I felt so guilty weaning them off at 6 months, but I needed my body back and some more freedom. Have you tried giving her a beaker of milk at night to see what would happen, maybe best to start that in the morning first, then knock out the night feed last. I had an awful time trying to stop as I had so much milk. In hindsight I should have carried on until they had started food weaning as they naturally take less milk, but I had really had enough by then. Good luck with it all.

Another very rough night with Joshie, his cold is so bad. Can 11 month olds have cough medicine, have sent hubbie off to chemist to see, he is getting so upset poor love.

18/09/2007 at 11:13

tabtri, thanks for all the advice, will try some of your suggestions.  Did yours drink formula during the day ?  Isla so far has refused any formula (from a bottle or cup), so just worried she won't be getting enough milk if i try to take her off the boob and she won't drink formula as not sure if she'll get enough calcium and vit d from her food alone.

MM, very impressed that you bf twins till 6 months, i've been wanting my boobs back for a while now, but its just been easier carrying on than trying to get her to take formula and all the hassle of sterilising bottles having to make up feeds and heat them up etc. 

Have just entered the Scone Palace 10K (near Perth) on 21st October, so better get training, can comfortably run 35 mins 3 times a week, so just going to increase at least one run a week by 5 mins or so each week, may need to take my trainers on holiday to Cyprus (going for a week at start of october, sister in law lives out there) to keep the training going, quite excited now.  Will be a busy weekend, Isla's first birthday on the saturday and my first post pregnancy race on the sunday !!

18/09/2007 at 11:35

Mrs O - first one had some formula from about 7 months because I was doing some work from then but would never take it from a bottle, however he used to take it from one of these (I'm going to try attaching a link but if it doesn't work it's an Avent Magic Cup with the soft spout). I put him on cow's milk as soon as he was one and he always drank quite a lot of it.

The second one would take a bottle but never really liked formula. He only started on solids at about 6.5 months and formula at the same time just as I went back to work but he barely used to drink any of it. He would always have a massive breastfeed when I got home at 5.30pm. Other feeds were at 7pm and then several times through the night (first one around 11 and then at least two more). He did eat yoghurt and have cheese in some of his food so he was getting calcium and vit D from those but he never really seemed to like drinking any milk unless it was mummy's. I worried a bit but he seems fine and now he loves a glass of milk (he's now 3.5 yrs).

Your holiday sounds like it'll be nice and good to have a race to look forward to.

18/09/2007 at 12:39

MM, thanks for the tip re. banana.  I think I'd read that somewhere too so tried giving him a little bit of mashed banana last night after his baby rice.  He loved it!  Has not had a problem with pear before - I don't think he does now, it's just that because he loves it I tend to put it in things if he won't eat them as they are.  Once he's used to the new flavour I leave the pear out again but have found it's a good way of getting him to eat something if he turns his nose up the first couple of times.  He was fine when I first introduced the pear but he was only having about 15ml a day then, now he's having at least 45ml so could be I'm overdoing it.

Am wondering if the Heinz baby cereal I started him on yesterday is upsetting his tummy.  He's not been himself at all since breakfast this morning, really grizzly and just wanting to suck his thumb and be in his cot.  He's even been quite keen for me to hold and cuddle him which is most unlike him!  He may not have slept very well last night as seems a bit tired - he bawled all the way through his 11am solids which he usually loves.  He ate the lot but put him down for his nap a bit earlier as he just seemed to want to go to bed.  Hope he's OK, poor little chap.  Has only done 2 poos so far today which is an improvement, maybe the lack of pear/introduction of banana is helping.  That said, wondered if his tummy was hurting this morning and that's why he was grizzly.  He did a poo just before I put him down for his nap but it was quite loose, yellow and seemed mucus-y.  Read that mucus in the stools can be an indication that a particular food has irritated the gut and am currently pointing the finger at the cereal.  It contains gluten which I wasn't keen on but he won't eat the Organix banana porridge without a bit of pear puree in it!  Could be the gluten has upset his tum a bit.

MM, the things you mentioned for his sore bot - are they creams available over the counter?  Haven't heard of either - actually thought meconium was baby's first poo or am I thinking of something else? 

Another food question - sorry!  How do you know how much solids to give?  Kit's having a 7oz bottle first thing in the morning followed by 2-3 dessertspoonsful of cereal (dry weight).  About 11am he has 3oz of milk then about 6 tablespoons of mixed veg, usually sweet potato mixed with something like carrot or parsnip and something green like courgette or beans.  He then has another 7oz bottle around 2-2:30pm, and then another 7oz and 6 teaspoons of baby rice usually with a tablespoon of fruit puree around 5:40pm.  I tried giving him the evening solids an hour or so before his bath then his milk afterwards but he wasn't interested in the milk at that point and was too sleepy to drink it.  Not sure if I'm feeding him enough?  He's been gaining 2-3oz a week since I started weaning but he always finishes everything so am wondering if I should be offering more?

18/09/2007 at 19:26

Minks - Sorry but I too have the 'Is it enough?' foodwise.  I think each one is so individual and if they still sleep well and play, are happy in themselves etc there is probably not a problem.  If you are concerned add in something extra.  If he takes ithappily then keep it up.

Mrs O, I am still b'feeding at almost 10 months.  James now sleeps through the night but when I initially went back to work I did not expect him to sleep through as that was his time with me.  He never took as much from a bottle (only expressed, not gone down the formula route) and would wake up feed and go back down.  From a few weeks he only woke once between 7 and 7 unless poorly, then he would feed and go back down.

We were mean and decided when my husband had a week off work he would get up to him and give him water instead.  it was the first night that James slept through (sixth sense or what!).  However he did get up to him and gave him water so eventually he slept through.  I felt I was not right to see him at first as he would just want milk.  That worked for us and all little ones are different.

James has 3 milk feeds a day and I can see the lunchtime one being the first to go.  I find the night time one lovely, he does not fall asleep but does calm down having had his cream on.

My friend is hoping to replace an afternoon milk feed with somehting like a yoghurt when she returns to work.

 We also use vitamin drops at the moment.  HV recommended Haliborange or Abidec.  However I noticed Abidec contains Peanut oil.

18/09/2007 at 19:58

Hello all

had a great time in france and the girls were beautifully behaved while we were ther and slept through both legs of the journey!  Got lots of attention and they were very admired wherever we went which was nice and they seemed to lap it up, they are such sociable wee things!.  the wedding was fab, there were 14 babies under 1 there for the weekend so we were in good company.... it was nice to let my hair down for a bit and the girls slept happily in thier buggy til 2 in the morning when we successfully tranferred them to thier travel cot without them even waking up.

Cant offer any advice on weaning etc but reading with interest!!

18/09/2007 at 21:10
Sorry Minks Metanium!!!! yes you should get both in baby aisle in supermarket, or get on prescription so you don't have to pay for it!!!
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