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06/12/2012 at 22:59


You can still marathon train.......but after you've gone through the rehab process.  As has been said already by other posters, you can keep your CV fitness up by doing things like swimming/cycling etc.  Now I am fully aware that you have to " get the miles in your legs" for the marathon, but the marathon isn't until 21/4/13, so you have plenty of time to train, incorporating a full rehab programme.

By the look of what you've said above, you do ALOT! Not only with your running 5 runs a week, but also with a heavy work load - with a problematic painful heel. You're not going to like this but you need some rest!!!!! The VLM will still be there next year. You may feel bad, but in the long term, your health is the most important thing.


06/12/2012 at 23:41
Newy - Hi I was just flicking thru the RW threads and I found this one. Well during my mara training at the begining of this year I got PF in my left heel. It would be my 4th mara, and whilst building up my lsr's the heel pain became too much after my 1st 20miler at he end of Feb. I did the stretches, and using tennis ball on sole of foot every day, and even had one at my desk at work. But even with those and resting it always came back and couldn't run further than 14m, and only if I took paracetomol before my runs.
I still ran the mara, again dosed up on pain relief, but afterwards decided that as I wasn't running an Autumn mara this year, decided to try and sort it out. I decided to go down the barefoot/forefoot style of running. Starting with just 1-2m to start, and slowly building up. Because most barefoot type shoes are normally 0-4mm drop (heel to toe difference) the calfs and Achilles take a pounding. Also you have to change your whole running style, more upright, higher cadance etc, you feel like you're starting running again. Well I now do all my runs in them, and my lsr's are upto 12m and my speed is upto previous levels, BUT the best bit is no PF pain atall. I bought a pair of Vivobarefoot Ultras which are great, and I'm now after some trail shoes also. I've entered Manchester mara at end of Apr2013, which will be my 1st minimalist mara.
Barefoot/forefoot style running maybe not for everyone, but a relatively cheap option that could cure your PF problem, but it's not a short term fix. You'll need a good 6mnths to slowly build up your runs, in length and pace. Ps I'm 50 so you're not too old to learn new tricks as they say.
06/12/2012 at 23:59

What u need is a podiatrist.  Contact the Institute of Chiropodists & Podiatrists who wil recommend an experienced practitioner for proper advice......  maybe ask for Martin Harvey?

07/12/2012 at 00:00

ps..... they have a website are headquarters are in Southport.

07/12/2012 at 01:19
Hi, im based near Peterborough, if and when im fixed the minimalist route I think is the answer as before with big heeled trainers I was defo heel striking! I have specail insoles in my work shoes but they are not a cure, with the advice I've taken over the last 6 months on various 'cures' I've ended up spending a fortune so apologies if im sceptical willing to listen and take further advice though
07/12/2012 at 01:22
@santa Claus....its great to hear you've got on with changing your gait, a lady at my club had PF for years, she then got a scan to pinpoint pain, then had 2 cortisone injections which helped her, she then took 6 months to re train her gait to a higher cadence and running with minimal shoes making sure her feet were under her body and bang! All sorted and she did an ironman a few months ago!
07/12/2012 at 08:39

No-one ever mentions Trigger Point Therapy and I'm surprised as it worked for me and ridiculously quickly too, within a few weeks. After suffering on and off for  nearly 2 years it has never come back. The best thing about it is that it costs nowt!

PM me if you want to know more. 

07/12/2012 at 14:00

Pauline - Imagine that, there's me going down the barefoot route to get rid of PF problem, and in all the 1000's of towns in the uk, the headquarters for 'pods' , is in the town where I live, Southport.

07/12/2012 at 20:18

It depends on which Podiatry professional body you're looking for. I am part of the Society of Chiropodists and Podiatrists which is based in central london.

07/12/2012 at 21:17
Newy - Oh yes just one other thing, before I went down the barefoot route I found cycling really helped with the pain. If you cycle clipless you can drop your heals a bit more which stretches the calfs nicely, which is one of the recomended stretches for PF. So you can do some x-training and get a good stretch at the same time.
09/12/2012 at 17:29

Hi Newy,

I had terrible PF in my feet at the end of last year after walking Lands End to John o'Groats for charity.

I rested for a month afterwards, and it went in 1 foot, but it was still severe in my left foot. I ended up having 2 injections and this cleared it up. I haven't had any issues with it since.

I did use a nightsplint and found it helped first thing in the morning when the pain was worst. The only issue was that it stopped me from sleeping properly. 

I saw in a recent RW article that running a golf ball under your foot and applying pressure helps, but I havent tried this out as I didnt know about this when I had it.

11/12/2012 at 21:21

Hi everyone,a few things,what is trigger point therapy and I did cycle all wk end and it did help.. I have also rested but some days its very bad.. Anyway I MUST STOP MOANING but today I saw the doc thinking he would tell me to get lost, but he was an ex rugby player that suffered from PF!! It could be a worry that he was willing to give me a cortisone shot right there?!,but I opted for next week so that I could think about it! He said that it had bad press and that I need to break the cycle before I can move forward,he warned me that it may not work,but as far as side effects, he feels that its safe and not sure why everyone makes such a fuss about it, so who knows,I may still chicken out.. I am stretching and wearing sock and in fit flop shoes at work which help,but after driving its awful,and I limp for a while after getting out of the car but maybe thats just normal,as I cant remember what its like to put my foot down and not have pain anymore.. Anyway if I decide to give in to the drugs I shall report back!!

11/12/2012 at 21:32

Newy......did you doc say why the injection has a bad press? I just took my doc's word that this was the treatment I needed.....I never considered that it could be bad.

11/12/2012 at 21:47
Well people say it kills nerves etc as well as being very painful,he said the nerve bit was rubbish and yes its painful but only for a few seconds!.I have just re read Darrens post thou and realised he had a shot but it clearly didn't work.. He also said that like you I may need two shots.
11/12/2012 at 22:38
Newy- I've never had a cortisone injection, but know several people who have had it for various aliments. But as far as I'm aware it's just a short term solution to mask pain, but doesn't solve the problem. You need to look at something else to solve the PF prob, otherwise it will just keep coming back.
12/12/2012 at 08:21

Simon,I am trying to transition to vivo shoes at moment and have a friend that runs ultras almost barefoot(leather sandals!) He has been helping me for a while,checking my form etc,he doesnt think too much wrong apart from my overstriding when I go faster.. Trouble is I cant get on with it ever because I am not running at moment,hence I thought that if I got rid of the pain then I could really have a go at barefoot running,but yes I am aware it may only be temporary and have a week to decide what to do.. 

12/12/2012 at 09:47
Hi, go for the injections NEWY, I did get some relief for a bit but only lasted few days, it may work for you! I've not had any damage to nerves etc. My plan now is that I've started to do very gentle runs on treadmill in my inov8 shoes,landing on mid/fore foot, only 5 mins at a time, then carry on stretching calfs out plus getting a rolling pin on calf! Similar to Trigger Point Therapy! Im still suffering a bit but its not any worse and it will take time I guess, 6 months and counting! I feel your pain believe me mate. I think I will go down vivo route once got my cadence and posture correct. I've written off next season, so that has helped my head!
12/12/2012 at 10:25
Newy - My only concern is after the injection, which ever route you choose will feel great cus the injection will be masking any pain. But when the injection wears off, you could find yourself 3/4 months into eg barefoot style running and still with the pain, and no indication of if you are doing anything wrong, cus the injection will mask everything. Good luck anyway
27/12/2012 at 09:50

Hi everyone,just to let you know 1 week on from injection(which was fine!) and although a little improvement,not a huge amount! So at least I have tried(he did suggest coming back in a month as it usually takes 2) Not so sure I will  bother. So after initial depression,I am going to get myself a new bike and get out on that for a while.I have decided that I poss wont be doing any of the races I wanted this year so that pressure is off(apart from all the race nos coming through the door).I have spent this xmas drinking far too much,my weight I have kept low as im not eating half the amount but I feel sluggish and awful,and Im sure its not conducisive to healing.But thats me,its all or nothing..So Happy New Year everyone,thanks for all your help and lets hope we can beat any injury in 2013..I am from today being healthy,stretching and getting back to trying to rid myself of this awful PF.. Looking at hoka shoes too,but they are difficult to get and very expensive..

27/12/2012 at 15:36
Hi ya, try and stay positive, get on the bike! I too have written off next season due to PF and have recently got Achilles tendonitis in same foot/ankle! Gutted. So I know how you feel bud, rest and ice...lots of swimming and biking...
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