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29/03/2006 at 13:36
CM - My next check is my 20 week scan at 21 weeks! I then have a follow up with the obs again a week later.

I really hope things stay settled as I have 2 weddings for best friends this year and my daugther is a bridesmaid for one.

Mitchie Moo - Can relate to the other end bit - I have had this in all my pregnancies. Better than the other end of the spectrum I suppose and I sign of lots of good hormones!
29/03/2006 at 14:14
Mitchie Moo, I guess the first scan is just one of those things that has to be got through. I can imagine how nerve-wracking it must be though, especially after your previous miscarriages. Just keep telling yourself that everything will be fine this time, there's no reason to think otherwise, and as Caramel says, if it's not you have to know sometime and better sooner than later. I know this doesn't really help!

Where in Wales are you going? We'll be there over Easter as hubby's parents live near Caersws in mid-Wales.
29/03/2006 at 14:17
Actually, thought of going to in-laws at Easter has reminded me that when we stayed there last summer, they insisted on giving us their bedroom. They've never done so on any other occasion we've stayed so immediately our suspicions were aroused. Turns out there's a Celtic fertility stone embedded in the bedroom wall (house is a converted church) - so they obviously don't work ;-) And as hubby pointed out, as if we're likely to get up to anything in his parents' bed!!
29/03/2006 at 16:57
It seems they have lost my referral letter from the doc, so looks like not going to happen before hols. How useless is that. Whole point of early scan is that it is early to avoid anxiety. Midwife was quite rude to me too. Grrr. Calm! Calm!
29/03/2006 at 16:59
Oh Mitchie Moo I am sorry. Having had early scans myself, I know how frustrating this must be.

Can they see you straight after or can you push for them to sort it out!
29/03/2006 at 17:00
Mitchie Moo - cif it's not too personal a question: can you afford a private scan? I paid £100 for a 7 week scan in Harley Street and it was well worth the money - gave me complete peace of mind and was actually far better equipment than used by the NHS (well, in my NHS hospital anyway!).

If you can afford it it may make your holiday a whole lot more restful ;o)

Hegs x
29/03/2006 at 17:50
mitchie moo

can't you just be fitted in at the EPU as a sort of emergency, given that they've messed up? they see people there all the time for emergency appointments in the early days, as people have bleeds, or suspected ectopic pregnancies.

if you can face it, get back on the phone and try and insist.

(((mitchie moo)))
30/03/2006 at 09:29
Tis OK. They have found the letter, 5.30 last night got a call from a still quite rude midwife even when I was very thankful for her ringing me back. Shame as they were so nice to us on the early pregnancy ward after we'd had the 12 week scan last time. Anyway can ring up for appt later on this morning. Phew! But doesn't half get your heart racing.

So hopefully tomorrow or early next week.

Can't really afford private care, as hubbie is self-employed, and business not too good, I also now work 4 days a week in an effort to reduce stress.

Thankfully my foot is on the mend so hopefully can do a small jog this weekend that should help a lot.

30/03/2006 at 10:20
Scan next thursday. Fingers crossed.
30/03/2006 at 11:48
mitchie moo

that's really great news. shame about the midwife though. some of them *are* a bit funny, though. but then i guess they get to see all sorts of people, and some women will naturally be very stressed/upset about things. doesn't make it right for them to be rude to you, though.

went to my antenatal class again last night and our teacher had her assessor there. she was a real po-face. i was asking our antenatal teacher (before class began) how much support you would get on breastfeeding if you decided to give birth at home. i was thinking that you would get more if you went into hospital or birthing centre because you would be there for longer, possibly overnight, and someone would be available for you to ask for help if you got stuck/stressed etc.

this assessor then said to me in a really huffy tone 'breastfeeding's not THAT hard you know'. i was really surprised to hear her saying that - yes, i know it's supposed to be natural, but from what i've heard, it can definitely be not THAT easy either!! and on your first night alone with your new baby, you *might* just want someone to tell you that you're doing it right. i know the midwife stays with you for a while to make sure you are able to feed before she goes, but what happens in the middle of the night when she's not there and you suddenly aren't sure that it's working like it was before? anyway, i wasn't very impressed with her attitude!
31/03/2006 at 09:19
Mitchie Moo - that is excellent news - fingers crossed that all goes well for you.

Caramel - I think that's outrageous!! Breastfeeding comes with a whole host of potential problems - for example, my baby had no problem latching on, I had a good milk supply and no problems with pain etc, but my baby was very small, jaundiced and a very sleepy feeder. This meant that he failed to gain weight and it was impossible for me to know how much/ little he had taken and I spent my entire time trying to feed him myself or using expressed breast milk which left me knackered and upset. In the end - and due primarily to lack of support from the midwife/ health visitor - I introduced formula which made it much easier to (a) see how much he had taken and (b) was much easier to keep him awake with. I would definitely try breastfeeding again with any future babies, but I maintain that it is NOT easy! On top of all this they then tried to have a go at me for using formula even though they could see that both he and I were a lot happier.... sigh!

IMHO, it is not a crime to use formula if that is what ends up being best for you and your baby, but there are obvious benefits to breastfeeding and as I said I would definitely try again next time. What is definitely lacking is support from the health visitors/ midwives. Have you tried the NCT or La Leche League? They are meant to be very supportive, and can visit you at home.

My friend recently had a home birth & breastfed straight away - she has had problems with her little girl's weight gain and so has also introduced some formula, but having a home birth didn't seem to have a negative effect on getting started. Am happy to ask her any questions you might have - she said it was a wonderful experience.

Hegs x
31/03/2006 at 09:29
Caramel - agree with Hegs that that isn't a helpful thing to say as it's not always easy and I think a lot of women give up because they think it should be easy.

Not sure you'd get any more support in hospital (although you've mentioned a birthing centre and they might well be better) - I always felt the midwives were too busy to come and check whether the baby had latched on properly so just got on with it. Didn't find it easy but persevered and breastfed until he was 18 months. Good luck with whatever you decide re birthing options.
02/04/2006 at 17:39
One of my close friends gave birth 4 weeks ago and confirms that breastfeeding, although supposedly 'natural', definitely isn't easy. Her baby is tongue-tied which makes it very difficult for him to latch on, and when she was in hospital he wasn't really getting enough milk. Consequently he lost 16% of his body weight in the first week (max is supposed to be 10%) and one of the health visitors made my friend feel like a bad mother because she hadn't noticed that the baby wasn't feeding properly. Friend ended up in tears and felt really guilty. When the midwife visited her at home, though, she took the time to help her learn how to breastfeed properly and she's now doing both that and bottle feeding with formula as the baby just won't take enough from the breast and falls asleep easily while feeding that way. At least with the bottle she can see how much he's taken and also means he gets used to feeding from both breast and bottle which gives them more flexibility (i.e. dad can feed the baby too).

It really annoys me when women are made to feel somehow inadequate because they have chosen to bottle feed or use formula. As a baby who was fed almost entirely on formula I have grown up very healthy and robust (can't even remember the last time I had a cold, let alone anything more serious) so don't let anyone tell you that formula is "bad" for your baby. What's bad for the baby is an unhappy, stressed out mother.
02/04/2006 at 21:54
Caramel, about breastfeeding: no, it's not easy but it doesn't have to be a burden. Just be prepared for a few difficult days (or weeks) to start with, but remember it gets better! I wished I had been told about that before (My antenatal breastfeeding counsellor made it sound so easy that I ended up wondering, at some stage, if that was ever going to get good. And overnight I was fine, the pain had disappeared and my "damaged" nipple healed.).
2 things I wished I had been told before: 1/ buy your nipple cream (a good one; I hear the best one in UK is Lansinoh) before the baby arrives, that will save you having to go and buy it once the pain is already there.
2/ in the first couple of weeks, don't let your baby on the breast for more than 10 minutes and breastfeeding as often as possible: that will help a good supply production and will avoid your nipples to crack.
My baby refused to feed on the left one the first 3 days. Therefore my right one was a war territory afterwards, and it took me 2 weeks to heal it.
If you know someone in France ask them to get your "oligoderm" (by Labcatal), it saved me and my problems and pain disappeared overnight. It's a spray containing copper.
Good luck , it's all worth it!
03/04/2006 at 08:03
Hello all, am back from Holland, about to go to Ireland for the next week so quick note as I feel I've neglected the thread!! My sisters baby had laser surgery last week and is much better, she had a floppy airway and was very ill, but hopefully they can go home later this week. Really made me appreciate that Liesje is such a healthy baby!

About breasfeeding; it isn't easy! But it also gets much easier quickly. I was only in hospital two days and got very little help from the midwives. I had the Lanisoh cream and it was good (gave Liesje very greasy hair!!) and the nipple pain went after a little while. My best tip: once you have finished breastfeeding, most of the milk is replaced in the next twenty minutes so don't worry that your breasts are 'empty' as they won't be for very long. It made me much more relaxed especially when Liesje would vomit all her milk up straight after a feed!!

Good luck with all the scans, nausea and strange midwives...
03/04/2006 at 08:47
thanks all. i know from talking to my friends that breastfeeding isn't straightforward, and that's why i was SO surprised that this NCT assessor (!) was making out that it was!!!

i'm still undecided on the home birth thing. haven't actually talked to my midwife about it yet, though, and she may be able to sway me one way or another.

had a 'freebie' scan on saturday, because i was a volunteer on a basic ultrasound course for GPs. had another little peep at the baby, although not quite as good this time because the doctors were a bit all over the place with the probe! they couldn't confirm it was a boy, because the legs were crossed, so we are hoping all this blue stuff we've bought isn't going to have to be dyed pink ;-)

i was wondering why i was getting REALLY bad stitch on my right hand side when running, and the scan showed that the baby is breech, with his (her??) head just under my right rib, and back curled around. so that will be why i'm getting stitch there, and also why i feel like i'm being kicked in the bladder all the time!!

does anyone know when babies usually turn (if they are going to turn, that is?). one of my friends who was planning a home birth had to have a c-section because her baby was breech, even though she spent weeks wiggling her bum in the air (or whatever you are supposed to do to try to get them to turn).

marijke - you are a real gad-about at the moment, aren't you?!
03/04/2006 at 08:53
Hi Caramel,
No wonder the assessor is from NCT, mine was. They're really helpful but when it comes to breastfeeding they tend to "forget" the unpleasant bits.

My baby was breeched until 7 or 7.5 months, and then at the next visit she had turned. How far are you again?
03/04/2006 at 09:12
Caramel - don't worry, my baby was breech until 34 weeks (just as they were threatening to send me to the hospital for a scan etc.).
03/04/2006 at 09:29
Caramel - In spite of all my other pregnancy health problems my little chappie was head down at 32 weeks..... then he turned breech at 33 weeks!! Although I ended up with a c-section it was nothing to do with position - he actually turned himself back down a few days before he was delivered (34 weeks).
If you have a very wriggly baby they can keep turning up and down right up to birth. I believe that breech vaginal deliveries ARE possible, but generally not recommended.
One of my friends had her baby turned via manipulation at 37 weeks, and the little wotsit turned herself back the next day! I guess it's luck of the draw. If you are very small build and the baby doesn't turn by 35 weeks, there is less chance that it will simply because there won't be any room for him to manoeuver. Otherwise there is every chance, but keep sitting on swiss ball, sitting forward with elbows on your knees, that sort of thing.

Hegs x
03/04/2006 at 10:26
thanks girls! i'm only 26 weeks at the moment, so just about 6 months. plenty of time for him to turn (as the doctors said on saturday - 'you'll probably have a REALLY uncomfortable week in a few weeks time when he turns around!'. oh joy!). it's just he was in this position for the 20 week scan as well (although he did flip over onto his back at one point then , but quickly flipped back again), so the sonographer commented that it seemed as though he liked it in this position, which made me wonder whether he might just stick this way.

no point worrying about it though. i'm being a good girl and sitting on my swiss ball (even got rid of the office chair and sitting on one all day at my desk now!). you can only really do so much, i guess!

when i went for my last midwife's appt, she wrote in my notes that he was cephalic, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't. this is the same midwife who can't spell, didn't know what a nuchal scan was, and couldn't answer my questions on how far apart movements are supposed to be to 'count' (ie i can feel 10 movements in 30 seconds, so i assume that doesn't count as my 10 movements for the day, but she couldn't be more specific!). so i don't have oodles of faith in her!

the little blighter is kicking away like MAD at the moment. my poor poor bladder!
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