Trots-again

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11/09/2002 at 21:41
DO NOT search Medline about this!!
I have just found some horrible case reports about marathon runners and gut problems.
One article tells me that 13% of runners experience faecal incontinence when running, and 47% have to stop for a number two
So Im not alone
But theres no advice as to how to stop it, and the most up to date article seems to be 1998
Hmmmmm
12/09/2002 at 08:15
I found it was down to what I was eating. Not so much diet but what I had in the few hours prior to going out. I always run home from work, and I always tend to set off at around the same time. I noticed that I sometimes had problems so I started thinking about what caused it. I noticed that if someone had a birthday at work, it was tradition to buy cakes in the afternoon. If I had a cake then I was in trouble on the way home. I have to admit that I still sometimes have a cake - I just run home faster so that I arrive before nature takes its course !!
12/09/2002 at 13:15
The current thinking on other threads seems to be to cut out diary products, not been that successful for me - seemed OK at first, wonder how much was in the mind.

I just have to do a loop around home before I go on a training run - pop home and then off again - but if not, I use imodium

W
12/09/2002 at 19:40
Tonight my run was ruined with stomach cramps etc.. (I'm not going into detail).
3 miles if I turn back or 5 if I keep going .. I am so glad I turned back .. had to walk quite a bit to let tummy settle..
I had been eating mints ... these tend to have a bad effect .. maybe next time I should remind myself of the obvious.
Normally I would not take immodium as people tend to speak ill of having to wait a week !!! (information from another thread on old forum) but try the cheaper varieties .. I use safeways own ... work for a few hours.. which is really what all I need.
DD
12/09/2002 at 21:44
Mine too, Daisy. Well, not ruined, but got uncomfortable at about 2.5 miles (just beyond Tesco pit-stop opportunity) and still convinced enough when I reached the pub that is my 5-mile pit-stop opportunity to go. It was a phantom poo, but I felt so much better for the rest of my run.

Carbing up pre-run with a wholemeal roll and a very ripe mango probably didn't help, although my gut transit time is usually more than an hour.

Ruth, you good girl, using Medline for your research on this topic! The statistic is really that seven out of eight runners can safely wear pale-coloured shorts without elasticated legs.
12/09/2002 at 22:31
Ten miutes only this am before I had to return home
And thats without eating anything!!
Wait till i talk to me gastro mates, you never know, some poor sod might have had to do an MD in this
Now theres an idea--
13/09/2002 at 13:33
I found the cheaper alternatives not so good as imodium - if I find imodium 'too effective' I go out for one of my short runs of a loop around home fast, seems to work.

W
13/09/2002 at 13:39
immodium followed by prunes works well too!
23/09/2002 at 19:51
Coffee is a major culprit. Also the amount of time elapsed between eating and running. I find that if I eat my breakfast (bowl of Frosties with skimmed milk, mug of decaffeinated coffee and glass of orange juice) two hours before I run, I can usually get away without problems. But you have to experiment. I tried running on an empty stomach, but that was disastrous. so try eating a light meal that suits your metabolism a couple of hours before you run, and see how it goes. Good luck.
23/09/2002 at 19:54
Thanks, still need to catch one of my gastro mates to see if they can help
Trouble is , most of them are strangers to exercise and think Im mad
Can only run on empty ti=ummy in am, no time
but doesnt stop trotskies!!
think Ill do 2 part runs(sorry) as previosly suggested, I cant live on Immodium!!
OB
23/09/2002 at 20:04
excuse the need to to be graphic but my midweek runs of up to an hour take place at 6.30am. My body is trained (!) to evacuate before I run so that helps and I usually need to go again on my return. Long weekend runs for me are impossible without immodium plus. I take them after the necessary evacuation and I've never had a problem during a run and usually things are back to normal within 12/24 hours. I don't believe I'm sharing this stuff with strangers!!
23/09/2002 at 20:08
What do you do If youve been at 6 am and then need to go again
This does not happen if Im not running!!
OB
23/09/2002 at 20:38
this has only happened once (thankfully) and I was grateful that a public loo was available. Normally the early morning one does the job till I finish the run. If it didn't, I don't know how I'd deal with it - I suppose I'd have to consider the immodium as a more frequent option.
23/09/2002 at 20:55
ive obviously got odd guts then !
i always thought they were well trained until i started running
I mean it doesnt get in the way of a 48 hour shift
23/09/2002 at 21:22
Have always found that, once I had manage to settle the stomach properly, changes to routine were the issue. I still can't work out all of the changes that are bad, but there are things that were always helpful:

Trying to "go" before you run - in training for FLM this year, most running was at 6.30-8 am and there was never trouble if I'd paid a proper visit prior to heading off out of the door.

Trying to avoid coffee or tea prior to the run (or, if during the day, paying attention to how many cups I'd really had, which could number rather a few on a cold day) - these were definitely a source of discomfort.

Trying not to make massive changes to the main meal of the day. Breakfast was always fairly stable in style - cereal based (flakes of something or bread derivative) and lunch too (sandwiches of sorts). Issues came around dinner if, say, I'd done a meat and veg regularly, a change to pizza would set the internal washing machine stomach feeling going short distances into any subsequent run (extending to the next day). My stomach appeared happy bouncing familiar stuff round for a run, but would want to be rid of anything unfamiliar.

...still took Immodium twice (cranleigh 21 and FLM)...just in case...
23/09/2002 at 21:48
OK - so here's an alternative theory - what if it's your body's way of getting rid of excess carbohydrates which you don't need - because you've already got too much of them stored as glycogen in your muscles ? See my latest problems on General - Sean Fishpool's HR thread - for more detail - but I'm pretty sure I've been suffering from carbo-hydrate overloading - which can be fatal...
23/09/2002 at 22:34
Oh no!! no more crisps??
23/09/2002 at 22:36
No, crisps regularly!
23/09/2002 at 22:40
But theyre carbs

Another forumcrisps addict?
hurrah!
24/09/2002 at 10:27
Crisps are fat and salt.

But peanuts are protein and tortilla chips and twiglets are carbs.

I've been kind of watching the cramp-and-trot situation because whether or not I have any bother seems to be fairly random and not related to what I've eaten or when I last "went". The last few episodes have definitely been on runs after bad days at work. I wonder whether they're just a variation on the stress-related IBS which I occasionally get. My weekend runs are always pitstop-free.
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