A great prize & challenge
Morning all, sorry I havent been on for a few days, been a hectic week.
Haha Malcs least I won this time instead of being shafted . It was chris's birthday, think he was alittle unhappy about turning 32 though, said hes getting old! I keep telling him to go on my foam roller but he said its too painful...he is such a wimp. He almost cried when I did acupuncture on his knee last year! Glad to hear that your legs were feeling better after using your torture machine but disappointed that they still wont run for you. I want you back up and running and looking forward to york. Its such a shame you cant give your number to a friend...to many people on the waiting list I imagine!
...hmmm I will just skip over the referrence to GPs there . I know what you mean though, some are pretty useless, unlike me of course. Thankyou Angela.
Thankyou Angela thats really kind of you. Its on the 7th of september. Think were supposed to be meeting at a university somewhere for the morning and to use their track and then going to a park later on. Im sure the university was called st marys or something but I didnt write it down as I was mid clinic and was still in shock...and they said that the venue wasnt confirmed. Im waiting to here from them again with further details. They said that they will organise my trains so im not sure whats going to happen yet and when I will be travelling but it would be nice to meet up if we can.
I think you deserve a weeks rest, as you said you done alot of races, and training (both on the bike and with running), the rest will probably do you more good than anything else
I love your shoes so much angela, they are amazing and so special...I want a pair. Its so exciting shopping for wedding clothes...im so jealous. Are you having a tiarra? Veil?
In the GNR pack it says as long as you can run 8 miles you will be ok...but like you said, its probably going to be painful! Good luck for David.
Puffy 5 miles at 5k pace...wow no wonder your legs hurt the next day.Im going to look out for that museli, it sounds lush. Hope you have a fantastic weekend in London. If your at buckingham palace on sunday then let me know as were going for the day.
On thursday I had no home visits so I had a three hour lunch break. Wondering what to do, chris suggested going home and going for a run. I managed a 7.5 mile loop (@ 8 m/m) around the villages at home and it was so refreshing. It cleared my mind between clinics and made me work so much more efficiently in the afternoon. After my run I decided to cycle back to work (3 miles). Turned out to be such a lovely day...one of my best working days infact.
I did my long run yesterday, the plan was to do 18 (4 slow, 4 MP, 4 slow, 4 MP, 2 slow) but when I tried to speed up at 4 miles my legs wouldnt so I ended up doing 20 miles slow (ave 8:29 m/m) instead. It was quite warm and sunny when I tried to speed up so im guessing that together with the 7.5 miles less than 24 hours ago and the 6 mile bike ride (that im not use to) helped my legs to say no! The last 4-5 miles was quite hard and my legs hurt so much afterwards until I put my compression tights on, then it was like a miricle and they felt fine again.
Might just do my weights and a 3 mile recovery run today and then rest tomorrow
Just back from the osteo....
....it's good news . Well not bad news at least.
Nothing damaged and no tendonitis but my calf is as tight as anything (soleus mainly). I've been told to stretch the bejesus out of it. Keep up the medieval foam rolling too.
I can carry on running as well but if it starts burning badly then I need to stop and stretch, walk a bit maybe and if necessary go home as continued burning implies inflammation and we don't want that.
So I feel quite reassured now and having dealt with chronic tightness in my thigh once before I know the proceess. It'll take a few weeks but I should be able to shake it if I do all the necessary rehab work.
Upshot of all this is York is back on!
Mr P - have a great weekend in the smoke. Try not to visit any supermarkets, you're on holiday after all.
Sounds like everyone is heading for the capital. Sadly we are too bogged down in house and other mundane stuff otherwise I would have jumped on a train and met you all for a drinkette.
Angela - thanks, not sure I'll make the same mistake again though. For the sake of 40 quid - ok, so that is quite alot, but it was worth it.
Sarah - Old at 32?! Give him a kick from me will you
I wouldn't worry about feeling tired, that was a good 18 miles after the big 20 last week. With that any everything else you've been doing the body is bound to protest a little. I'm sure next week you will cane it.
Go easy today and rest as you suggested. More than ever I am appreciating the old adage that it's better to be over rested than over trained.
Right, I need to stretch (again)
Did 5.2 miles today. It was better than the 2.5 I did the other day. Had to stop and stretch 3 times but after each stretch I got around a mile or sfood pain free running before it started to moan again.
Been stretching alot today. Just need to stick at it.
Hoyou you all enjoyed your trips to London today. Weather was better for you than Saturday which was terrible.
I am still trying to sort through 18 years worth of accumulated junk. Not sure it will ever end but I watched Shawshank again the other night and that's inspired me to keep going at it
Yay! Glad to hear u managed a longer run! see how good a bit of reassurancd can be. We were traipsing Along Oxford st on rainy saturday trying to find ribbon for my sister's wedding invitations before going to a prom in the evening, which was excellent. Then Sunday morning I went with my sis to do a lot of errands whilst the boys stayed home painting. Her driving made me very car sick
home now and have decided to do an 18 mile stretch on the essex way- my reward fora week without running. Shall start in Dedham Nd go all the way to th end of the path in Dedham, so a total of 18 miles
Thats brilliant news about your leg and the fact that you managed 5.2 miles yesterday Malcs, I bet your so relieved. Its so hard to stretch....I have good intentions but then I always seem too busy to find 10 mins here and there to stretch!
I have sort of rested for the last 2 days and plan to do my speed training today instead of tomorrow now, to make the first day back at work less busy!
I found it a nightmare sorting through 6 years worth of mine and chris's accummulated junk at our old house.....I really dont envy you, good luck!
I love that movie, its one of my favourites..havent watched it in ages but I might watch it tonight now.
Morning Angela I always get travel sick the morning after a few drinks if anyone but me is driving...its awful. Good luck with your 18 miler today.
I just did my weights and a 3 mile recovery run on saturday (@9:14 m/m) and then rested yesterday (thats if walking for 5 hours around buckingham palace and london counts as rest).
Im planning on doing 10 miles today 2m w/u, 7m alternating between 5min at 1/2 MP with 5 min at MP, as I enjoyed that last time) witha 1m c/d. Did end up drinking a reasonable amount of alcohol when I got home last night (dad dragged me to the pub) in the space of an hour so im not sure how that will affect me as I normally dont drink the night before speed training but it wont be until later.
Angela - Cheers, yes the reassurance is worth a great deal. Thanks for your continued prodding - without it I'd have probably waited another month!
Oxford St. in the rain eh? I think I had the better deal stuck in the loft with my boxes of crap
I managed to kill two birds with one stone on Saturday - saw the osteo on a last minute appointment and in doing so managed to dodge a trip to Bluewater. Bluewater on a rainy Saturday is a recipe for male suicide (Even Alex wouldn't go there under those conditions for anything other than an emergency surgical strike).
Very envious of your 18 miles on the trail. Enjoy - weather should be fantastic for it.
Sarah - thanks and yes I am relieved but I still have a way to go to be pain free. At least I know what I have to do now.
I am the world's crappest stretcher and have the flexibility of a 70 year old (a very inflexible one at that).
I wish I was doing your run today, I like the sound of it. I'm sure the added calories from the alcohol will be more of a benefit than a hinderance. If that completely unfounded statement proves to be true then you'll be going out on the lash with pops the night before every run
How was the Palace? Did you bump into the puff meister?
I am trying to decide whether a short jogette would be wise or whether I should rest and stick to an alternating day strategy until I see some pain reduction. Part of me thinks that a gentle run followed by alot of stretching would be better than sitting on my backside and as I'm working today I'll be doing alot of sitting.
Morning! Got back knackered but had a short run this morning with mrs p and feel good now.
i kept my eyes open but didnt see any of you!
That is good news Malcs, must be a boost. Have you tried heel drops? I think theprinciple is that they develop the gastrocnemius (?) to share the load when youre running
it certainly chucked it down on Sarturday! because of engineering work, our train journey would have four hours on the way back so we chose to drive down to luton and get the train in grom there. We missed the rain, we were indoors most of the time, and when we checked in they gave us a few free drinks vouchers too so we ate at the hotel too.
It brightened up on Sunday so we wandered over to Brick Lane market, but it was a bit early a lot of them were still setting up. Then we popped over to Camden Market, but it was mental so we went to the V and A as planned, mrs p wanted to see an exhibiotion of clothes. It wasnt completely tbf, some beautiful evening dresses and a lot of eighties pop culture originals forpeople ike Toyah. I could stay there all day looking at the different parts but we had a bite to eat and then came home.
So no running, i will try to get a long run in this week, cant do it tonight as we are off to Old Trafford to watch Chelsea.
the bike i was looking at went for £300 in the end, handy price guide for the future.
That should have said end of the path in Harwich... Anyhoo, did it, and ended up as a 20 mile run!! Shall tell ya more later- got some eating to do
So, after a week of zero running, I felt terrible. There was no reason for no running, other than feeling tired all the time, which probably could have been fixed by going for a run. It was a pretty busy week, and so, no runs happened, and then at the weekend I was exhausted. I decided that rather than do a 10 mile section of the essex way, I would instead get up early on the bank holiday Monday to do stages 8, 9 and 10. By my calculations, approximately 18 miles. Although, now I look at the distances, perhaps it was 19.1.The fiance dropped me off in Dedham where there was all hustle and bustle for the bank holiday, an antiques show. I walked the first section, whilst I was waiting for the garmin to find satellites, which took forever!I started the run and within 100 metres, a kissing gate. Turns out, these were a feature of this section. That and horses. I had read in someone else's blog t'other day about a disease that some of the horses in this area had, and so I was a bit concerned about getting near them. This meant that the run became a bit of a run, walk slow past horses, stop to open kissing gate and walk thru, scan the new field for livestock, continue running. It was a rather frustrating run because of all the stop start, and despite the beauty of the countryside, I was happy when I got to Bradfield, as it seemed the instructions showed fewer kissing gates - I was closer to the coast now, so the land was flatter and therefore the farming tended to be arable, so no need for these gates - its not like the corn or the manglewurzls would escape. Though, that would make a pretty good cartoon I suppose. Once I eventually got out of the fields, there was a little run down to the river Stour, and on to Mistley Towers. They were slightly underwhelming, as I was expecting some giant gothic structure, however on reading the information sheet, it was quite interesting- they were towers of a church that has ceased to exist, but the towers remain. Just before the towers, I caught the attention of a chap, who wanted to tell me if I was running the essex way, I was going the wrong way. Now, as a geographer, I'm pretty good at following written instructions, especially when they give clear instructions about the contours. I convinced him I was going the right way, and we had a bit of a chat. He said he had started the Colchester Harriers, and that now, he runs Ultras. He had apparently completed the length of the Essex Way in 12 hours! Wow, that made me feel pretty bad. By the time I got to the end of this 8 mile section, 2 hours had passed!In Bradfield, I sat on a bench to have a gel, and I spent a rather long time trying to find which way to go at the start. The instructions say to start at the community centre and then say to run along the path 150m with the church on your left. Problem is, not knowing the village, I had no idea where the church was, and it wasn't in view from the start point, so this was a bit of a waste of time. Eventually I got going again though.This section was Bradfield to Ramsey. After running along a busy road for a while, this was all about horses. There were so many horses around, and horsey people moving their horses from one paddock to another. I slowed down to a walk so I didn't startle them. Eventually, started running through an RSPB protection area/woods, and then out across more fields. It had been quite a long uphill slog, so I stopped to walk a while, to get my breath back. Needed to stretch my quads as well as my knees were grumbling. I heard a runner coming up behind me, and he asked, are you doing the essex way! I explained that I'm just doing it for fun today
but not doing the race, and that I had started in Dedham. He would be doing this section of the relay next week, which is only a 5.4 mile section, so seemed quite impressed, though I had to give him a kick up the butt to start running again - I was resting with another 6(i thought, but actually 8) miles to go. He only had 1. By the time I passed through another horsey field, and a windmill, I met him on his way back. I suppose he was doing an out and back.So Ramsey, and the Castle Pub was looking very enticing, and it was rather sunny. I could so have had a pint, but was really concerned about the time I was making. 18 miles ought to have taken me 3 hours- perhaps 3:30 with the more difficult terrain. I was supposed to be arriving in Harwich for lunctime. I looked at my phone, and had a message from my driver about how long I was taking! charming! I figured I had about an hour left, now, so told him.The last leg was quite a nice run. through flat fields, although, unfortunately, some had not cleared the footpath properly, and there was one where I had to go around the edge rather than diagonally across, only to run up a bank onto the seawall and run back on myself. However, now I was on the seawall, I knew I was on the home straight, or so I thought. It was quite windy up on the sea wall, but the ground was solid, and I could actually get into a stride now. There were several sheep eating grass up on the seawall, and I gave several quite a scare as I got close to them. The last one I passed, however, had nerves of steel, and didn't budge as I ran past.Eventually the grass turned to tarmac, and then a carpark next to beach-huts. Yay! I must be in Harwich. I was at 17.6 miles, so not long to go, however, I still had half a page of instructions. The instructions should have just said run along the seafront for 2 miles, because that's basically what I did. About a mile along the seafront, I was enjoying the sound of the sea, and the waves, and the view of a little bit of beach - the tide was very high, and I saw a chap come out of the sea in a wetsuit- he looked at me as if he had such recognition, I thought he must know me, possibly from Parkrun. Anyhoo, he knew I was running the essex way, and encouraged me that there wasn't too far to go now. I wished him luck for the race next week.I went around the headland, and now, I could see the huge huge port. Giant cranes and piles and piles of containers. It must be a very important port for goods from Europe. Eventually you pass a lighthouse, which has become a maritime museum, and then an old crane to the left. This is where you turn away from the sea and run inland for only about 100 metres. Here, my fiance ran alongside me and raced me to the finish, but I was only at 19.84 miles, so I continued running. I ran a few circles around another lighthouse, and then into the town a bit, then back again, then bleep, 20 miles... Done! Phew! Time for fish and chips... however, didn't feel much like fish, so got battered sausage and chips. I enjoyed the chips, they were really good, but 1 bite of the sausage, and it was dripping with grease, and I'm not sure there was any meat in the sausage, so left that.All in all, really glad to have completed 20 miles, but not so happy with how long it took. I know this was down to terrain, gates, and not really knowing where I was going, so Essex Way, its been fun, but you're not the only way, so I'm gonna take a break for a few weeks...
Hiya Sarah, yup, a day walking around london certainly isn't rest, but its also not vitality giving exercise I find!! Perhaps I'm grumpy from all the rain!
Malcs- I certainly think its worth paying for that reassurance. number 1, the human mind is very powerful, and if you think you'll always be in pain when u run, you will be. Number 2, there are so many people I know who have injuries - usually in their knee - which means they can't run. Yet they walk just fine. Some of these of course are genuine, but I suspect a lot are just untreated tighness somewhere, in need of some stretching and reassurance. (usually these are injuries of people who don't like running in the first place though). Lucky you for dodging that shopping trip! I actually hate shopping. I don't see the point of it, unless you need something specific, and if you do need something specific, its often cheaper, and certainly easier to buy it online and have it delivered!
Mr P- glad you had a nice time in London. All the trains seemed to have problems yesterday and Saturday. We had to use buses all day (which I actually prefer) so it was rather slow getting around everywhere
Hahaha!! can't believe everyone was up in london at weekend! so was I!! I was white van lady n drove my daughter up to move into her new flat. I concurr that moving is very stressful. I did manage to fit in a couple of runs though n sussed out the local parks and surrounding area.
Glad to hear the foam roller is doing a good job Malcs. I think tight muscles are a source of many a runners problems. Getting sound advice from physio was a good move.
Wow Angela, mega run!!
I really need to read back properly n catch up on what everyone else has been doing......
Malcs whats bluewater? What did you decide on at the end...did you go for a gentle run or just stretch? Despite not drinking much on sunday night my head felt quite foggy all day..up until I did my run, then it felt great. The run went really well and I actually found it easier than the last time I did that run before VLM at slower paces and for a shorter distance...so im either getting fitter, or it was the alcohol!!!!
The palace was really good. Its been a while since ive been able to spend the day with my mum so I thoughly enjoyed it. The palace was gorgeous, but I think ive been spoilt by going to the vatican as it wasnt a patch on that. After the palace we popped to Harrods and then hyde park.
The clothes exhibition sounded fantastic Puffy...wish I had been aware of it...I love clothes....and bags....and shoes...and furniture (think I just love shopping)! Sounds like youve had a very busy weekend. Its amazing how much travelling takes out of you. Chris was watching the match last night whilst I was unpacking and putting the new curtains and bedding up/on so I missed it...what was the final score? Good match?
Another fabulous report Angela I think you have done fantastic completing 20 miles in an unknown area, over stiles, through gates, on tough terrain. I think you did right in going slow and steady and enjoying yourself. It was such a warm day yesterday and you havent done that amount of milage for a while. If you had done it too quick you could have risked injury! I love running passed horses...I get so jealous of the people who own them but then I remember how time consuming they are to look after and that to have a horse I would have to give up running which im not willing to do. The end of your race sounded nice on the sea front...and im so impressed with your will power (not going into the pub)!
I loved the pic of you in your white van Jen. Is your daughter moving out of the family home?
Yesterday I did my weights in the gym followed by an interval session. I did a 2m w/u followed by 60 mins (8 miles) alternating between 5 mins at half MP (6:49-6:53) and 5 mins at MP (7:24) with a 1 mile c/d at the end. Total miles 11. I thoroughly enjoyed it and actually found it easier than the last time I did this session before VLM when my paces were slower and I did it for 15 mins less.
Having a rest from running today but did cycle into work instead.
Not sure what to do for my long run this week...any advice...I did an 18, then droped back to 13, then a 20 followed by another 20. I have another long run hopefully scheduled for next week then I will be dropping back the following week when I will be doing GNR (15th)?
sarah osborne wrote (see)
It was such a warm day yesterday and you havent done that amount of milage for a while. ?
It was such a warm day yesterday and you havent done that amount of milage for a while. ?
Excuse me Ms. Osborne!!! But I did run 18 miles at TR24, and then Cycled 116 miles the following weekend..,. I'm basically an Ironman, if we forget about the wet part... I was listening to Chrissie Wellington's a Life Without Limits audio book on my run yesterday
Seems a lot of people are calling me a slacker these days... you take one week off to rest and reaquaint yourself with alcohol, and you never hear the end of it
If I were you, I would probably do a shorter long run- perhaps 15 miles with maybe 5 miles at your intended GNR pace in the middle? Maybe even as little as 12 miles - depends what your goals for GNR are?
Jenf- its crazy isn't it, if we had all known sooner, we totally could have planned a get together! How is your training going? When is your marathon?
Sarah - Bluewater is Kent's answer to Meadowhall, ie. on a rainy Saturday hell on Earth.
I do like going there when it's quieter though because it has what myself and Iestyn call the golden triangle - Apple Store, Lego Shop and Krispy Kreme's
Glad to hear you had a good time in London.
That was a fantastic session you did yesterday. Must give you alot of confidence and also shows your dad that he's going to have to up his game if he's going to stand any chance of sabotaging your attempt to beat his record
Mr P - I have done heel drops in the past but not for this issue. Good shout, I will give them a go, thanks!
Sorry about the rain. It's not rained like that down here for some time and I think the South East was the only part of the country that got it too.
Sounds like it didn't hamper your trip too much though.
I only saw a little of the footy. Looked like a decent game for a 0-0. Are you a Man U supporter?
Very good price for that bike. There seem to be some very good deals to be had on second hand ones.
Angela - thanks for another great report, really enjoyed reading about your exploits with farmyard animals - ahem
I think it is admirable that a bone idle, sausage eating alcoholic like yourself managed to do 20 miles. I am simply in awe.
Jen - I'm quite glad I didn't know you were up because I would have been gutted if there was a meet up as I couldn't make it. Unfortunately house stuff is first priority at the moment.
Where has your daughter moved to?
Pics in white vans? Is this on friend face? I think I may need to drop some more friend requests - brace yourselves
Lol idle sausage eating alky, very funny, could be me malcs!
the match was a bit boring, I support Liverpool n but Mrs P supports Chelsea. One of our suppliers has two seats I think no one else wanted them bueing a Monday night. I do ike the songs they come up with, bit rude for on here though!
that is another ace report Angela, I like the way you call him "the" fiance, charming! I was thinking of you as we walked round the city, I know you work round there somewhere. When I am out on the Sandstone trail I often bump into people who are recceing for the whole thing.
I haven't run tonight, I feel exhausted, probably still tired from the weekend. I will do my usual midweek medium run tomorrow, I will aim for ten miles at Marathon pace. Cant run Thursday, evening commitment, so I will have to take a view on how I approach the weekend, I would like to get back to long runs on Saturdays so I can do. A session on Monday night.
Not long now til Chester, the next organised run is the 8th September, 20 miles, I plan to go quite hard and see how I am, I feel fitter than London, but not quite in 3:30 shape though, so I am prepared to have to go again in April somewhere, or perhpas January.
when they built Bluewater I was still a HGV driver, spent many happy Hours waiting to unload there. We stayed i nDartford one year for the VLM it was a really good spot, straight in on the train to Blackheath.
Angela Isherwood 2 wrote (see) sarah osborne wrote (see) It was such a warm day yesterday and you havent done that amount of milage for a while. ? Excuse me Ms. Osborne!!! But I did run 18 miles at TR24, and then Cycled 116 miles the following weekend..,. I'm basically an Ironman, if we forget about the wet part... I was listening to Chrissie Wellington's a Life Without Limits audio book on my run yesterday Seems a lot of people are calling me a slacker these days... you take one week off to rest and reaquaint yourself with alcohol, and you never hear the end of it If I were you, I would probably do a shorter long run- perhaps 15 miles with maybe 5 miles at your intended GNR pace in the middle? Maybe even as little as 12 miles - depends what your goals for GNR are? Hahaha, your certainly not a slacker, far from it. Cycling that distance would kill me....finding it hard to do 3x2 to work and back lol...but I am enjoying it, better than driving in to work!
Angela Isherwood 2 wrote (see)
sarah osborne wrote (see) It was such a warm day yesterday and you havent done that amount of milage for a while. ? Excuse me Ms. Osborne!!! But I did run 18 miles at TR24, and then Cycled 116 miles the following weekend..,. I'm basically an Ironman, if we forget about the wet part... I was listening to Chrissie Wellington's a Life Without Limits audio book on my run yesterday Seems a lot of people are calling me a slacker these days... you take one week off to rest and reaquaint yourself with alcohol, and you never hear the end of it If I were you, I would probably do a shorter long run- perhaps 15 miles with maybe 5 miles at your intended GNR pace in the middle? Maybe even as little as 12 miles - depends what your goals for GNR are?
I would like to race GNR so I would aim to run between 6:50-6:55 m/m.
Haha, I see what you mean about Bluewater now Malcs ...Meadowhall is a nightmare when the weather is rubbish (and at christmas/jan sales)..I love shopping but I avoid the place on days like that!
Think my dad is secretly scared!! Although dont tell him this but his time of 3:14:?? was gun time and not chip time so even if I do get 3:14 he will still have done better than me...but im not going to point that one out to him!! Thankyou for yoru friend request on facebook....I wouldnt have recognised you from your photo!
Good luck for your 10 miler this evening Mr P hope it goes well and its not as hot as it is here. Im planning on doing 5-7 slow miles with chris...if his knee holds out. He hasnt run for the last 2 weeks so its to see if he will be able to do GNR or not. He did cycle into work today and admitted to a few knee twinges so im not fancying his chances to be honest. Its so difficult seeing the frustation in his face and makes me feel guilty for enjoying my runs. I cycled in to work again today and walked on my visits. Been nice getting some fresh air!
Mr P - good shout on using Dartford as a base for the marathon. Would indeed be an easy route in with most people converging on London Bridge. It was a major scrummage the first time I did it and then I discovered that I could get a train direct to Lewisham from here and simply walk up the hill - bliss.
I'm having similar thoughts to you about the autumn campaign. If I can't get enough training in then I'll just run a slower pace and have some fun. Spring will then become the focus for any PB bashing.
Sarah - tell Chris he can come and run with me and we can pull frustrated faces together
In all honesty, I'm becoming more and more convinced that for these kind of injuries some running is better than none at all. Unless there is inflammation or obvious damage to tendons or muscle then I reckon you're better doing something to keep things from tightening up. What do you reckon as a medic?
After my 5 miles on Sunday I did another 4 on Tuesday - didn't see much of an improvement. Yesterday I did some interval training on the bike - it's the only way I can do any decent CV work. It was a good hour session and I had no twinges from the leg at all. Last time I cycled I had some minimal discomfort so I'm taking this as a positive sign. Still reckon I have a long way to go though.
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