Auviour Paris: So long and thanks for the cobbles

Hi Luke,

Read it a while back, great read and some interesting stuff in there too !  Must read it again, I think its one of those books that needs to read twice.

Oscarr, catch you soon.

FH

Read it great read keep going Luke.

WW - wait til you get xray results and a proper diagnosis cos doctors tend to air on the pessimistic side to begin with which may have been the scenario he/she painted on the phone - i've heard the guy who has got world records for number of marathons done extol the virtues of aqua running as a good cross trainer and it really can keep your cardio fitness levels up and some strength in the upper legs; try it with a float around the middle and run for a few minutes cos apparently its really hard work

mcs - listened to Tony trials about the Manch marathon this morning and his account of the ginger bread man is funny - did like his marathon prayer though, so many truths in it

Luke - will have a listen to no 47 soon 

Reckon Bo is hiding in case i come for his knee caps with a shotgun !!!!!!!!

mcs - Cheetahs seem to do okay with spindly legs and a long back 

Today I was scheduled to run 3 miles easy, so I ran 4 miles at the "upper end" of easy  Felt good afterwards.

I want to push on a little, because I have some enforced rest looming following some minor surgery I have booked next week.  Begins with "V" and ends with ouch .  No running for at least a week, depending on which scare stories I care to read.  I had hoped to get the job done soon after the marathon, and I guess this is relatively soon.

Anyway, I hope to get up to about nine miles before I have to do the John Wayne strut.

Ten - you really are tempting me big time to revert to the school of hard jokes with that last post - i did it many years ago and all i can say is get lots and lots of very tight fitting undies cos you'll need them for at least a week - tee hee!!! - and you thought the last few miles of a marathon was tough ????

mcs - i was still on for a PB at mile marker 23 and had enough energy but he legs just gave way on a small up and down section at that point which was tough then to get going again but fast walk and jog was OK

Just listened to Tim Noakes on 47 - food for thought but the one thing that bugs me right now is that even he says do NOT run the distance in training BUT how else are you going to train your mind that you CAN do 26.2 without doing it ?????

Rachel - my thought on Tim Noakes above was about doing the race distance in training - he talks about the "central governor" being the mind controlling the body and i was just musing that he also says don't do the full distance in training so it was just a question that maybe the mind needs convincing in training as well as in a race - probably confusing things here, sorry!

Yes, that was the up and down bit where i had to stop - the up was OK but half way down the down bit was where my legs just said "no more".  Don't worry, i've already moved on.

Morning all!

oscarr - is it something to do with the overload/recovery within training threshold - better-to-be-fresh-on-the-start-line type thinking?  Rachel has a point - of which I will remind you if and when I ever do my 10th one! On reflection I'm beginning to wonder if my first one went so well as it was on the back of a year or so worth of big, hill walking days.  9 hours of walking has to build up some serious endurance - haven't done so much in the last couple of years - I shall test the theory...

Ten - hope all goes well and that the boys play nicely (naughty oscarr/mcs! LOL)

Luke - excellent book eh!  Yip I've read it too!

Time for me to pack the camper ready for our trip - happy running/resting everyone - catch up in 10 days or so!

Thanks guys, I think I'm gonna focus on Choisty's post.  Having it done is going to turn me from a back-of-the-packer into an elite runner (if my interpretation of his post is correct).

Choisty - max i did in training was 22 miles done 4 weeks before (week 12) - did this at target MP+30secs with the last 2 miles at MP.  Before that had done 20 (week6) and 21 (week8) both at MP+ 45secs.  22 is most i've ever done in a build-up.

I can understand the benefits that you mention - also, there are a few people who do marathon races in quite quick succession.  The thing i have to think about is my personal recovery time - i am certainly no elite athlete and i know that i need longer recovery times than younger, stronger folk - i am very tempted though to do a full distance run at a very slow LSR pace early in the next full campaign. 

The legs feel remarkably loose now after Sunday so recovery has been good.

Oscarr - I don't think I fully understand your planning.  I thought your heart and lungs were holding up fine, but your legs gave out?  I would have thought it makes more sense to add strength training to your current routine.  Perhaps weight training, but hill work being more specific to your needs.  I don't see how running longer earlier in your routine will help when you already know you can complete the distance.

Disclaimer:  I know nothing.

P.S.  Foos your legs (Tony's Trials)

Ten - i told you i was confused and it shows dosen't it - said i needed a few weeks to think things through and reckon that's just what i should do - so, no more planning posts until i start to make sense to myself, promise

Chop, chop....

Oscarr, for Paris 1 did 10 runs >20 miles, 3 x 20, 3 x 21, 1 x 22, 2 x 23 & 1 x 26.24.  Admittedly I got lost on the 26, it should of been 25.  I think the strength in the legs comes from the miles, by marathon day I felt (and still do) that I could run forever.  Also I was doing another long run on a Wednesday of between 8-14 miles.  But I am a high mileage kinda guy and don't seem to suffer the over use injuries associated with it.

Ten, yep you'll be winning races before you know it! <disclaimer...all claims maybe false>

Thanks Choisty, impressive training.

Oscarr, I just love to run