Auviour Paris: So long and thanks for the cobbles

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20/04/2013 at 13:03

In the email they say that if a woman and a man run 90 minutes for a half, then the woman will beat the man by nearly four minutes in the marathon, and the difference gets bigger as the pace reduces.

Perhaps they should have a male/female version of the calculation?

The bad news for me is that to get to 3:45, I would need a HM time of 1:40:29.  I suspect that this will probably be true   It won't stop me trying, though.

20/04/2013 at 13:16

Ten - put my HM race time in from last year (5 weeks before Abo marathon) of 1:44:30 and it predicted 3:55 and my time at Abo was 4:05 - feels about right and is what i am aiming at later this year (after boosting my endurance)

20/04/2013 at 13:20

Oscarr I reckon your endurance will be through the roof, and will translate well this autumn.

Cheers Ten that's interesting.

20/04/2013 at 13:36

Wow, what a fantastic LSR run this morning - really liberating and exciting - 3.75 hrs of dreaming in a crisp, clear blue sky, sunny morning - out the door at 8:30 (unheard of for me)

21 miles in 3:46 @10:48 HRav 69% including six 5 min walk breaks after each 25 min running - running pace 10:22.  Very comfortable.  Gradually increasing the pace keeping HR well inside zone 2 and it seems to be working well.

Sleepy - have reviewed where i am now and what's left on the schedule and how i feel and have decided to do the following;

week 8 - cutback week after the previous 3 week buildup of 58/64/62 mpw

week 9 - heavy week with 7.5hr B2B

week 10 - cutback week to prepare for CW and travel up there

week 11 - heavy week at CW with "run all the way" marathon at end of week

week 12 - cutback week to travel back from CW and other activities

week 13 - heavy week with 9hr B2B

weeks 14/15/16 - taper

Reckon that's a good balance of doing the long runs while giving my body chance to adapt and hopefully leaving me still fresh for The Wall.


20/04/2013 at 13:40

Oh, forgot to mention that i still have the 3 hr LSR (with last hour at MP) to do tomorrow morning to finish week 7. Daren't watch VLM cos i will get tempted to enter the ballot !!

20/04/2013 at 16:16


reiki I drop 0.5mph when I find the pace too fast and see how it feels then.  In theory as long as my HR is 150-170 I'm getting a speedwork benefit. (80 - 90%).

oscarr  - looks good to me.  I'm doing more than the programme on the wall but slightly less than you due to jog/walking on HR but I think it'll be ok.  I think we have a pretty good mix of endurance speed and pure endurance training.

Oh pants forgot to try Ten's calculator - back soon...


20/04/2013 at 16:20

Here I am...

I put in my 1:45:01 half from when I was training properly and it said 3:56:25 but I ran 3:49:06 that year so I think it's either the male/female thingy or underselling itself.  I find all calculators a bit different but great for giving you a guideline for training - no one can ever know what will happen on the day me thinks...

I shall persevere with my 3:36 paces until I run said beast - or get banned with my zimmer frame - not sure which one will happen first but I can but try!

20/04/2013 at 16:47

Oh right SB I forgot about your mph thing, brain is mashed!

20/04/2013 at 17:49
Just left the expo and on leaving I saw a lady wearing a Boston was Rosie, after hugs it was great to catch up she is still shaken up seeing the immediate aftermath. We will salute all those at Boston tomorrow
20/04/2013 at 17:55

Sleepy - agree very much - i think both our training is going well and i am sure we will have similar fitness at The Wall at a level which will mean we will definately enjoy it, in particular the last few miles on Sunday.  

Remember that with your age gain on me i need to train that bit harder to keep up with you 

20/04/2013 at 18:00

I too tried the Fetch calculator:

Most recent 1/2: 1:30:14

Calculator result: 3:21:8

Actual (Boston) 3:21:09

How spooky is that?

20/04/2013 at 18:11


It's way out for my brother as well though.

21/04/2013 at 07:41

Kick that ass, Reiki!  Knock em out Choisty!  Good luck to both of you.

21/04/2013 at 07:56
Go go guys looks like a great day to run cool and calm, have a fantastic day and leave it all out there, look forward to reading those race reports......all the best.
21/04/2013 at 07:57
Just rolling out my feet ready to go. Have plastered knee in tiger balm & woodlock.
21/04/2013 at 09:57

Rosie was interviewed in her Boston top.

I ran five miles early this morning, all below my recovery heart rate.  Made for a slow run up the hills, but I could have a bit of a blast coming down again.  Beautiful day.

21/04/2013 at 13:56

Sleepy - my endurance certainly seems to be improving - after yesterday's 3.75 hr LSR i did another 3 hrs this morning with stats;

- first 2 hrs - 10.9 miles in 2:00 hrs @ 11:00 HRav 68% - incl 4x5min walks

- last 1 hr @MP - 6.83 miles in 60 mins @ 8:48 (target 9:00) HRav 79% - no walks

The last hour at MP was great and it felt great to open the legs up a bit.  No ill effects at the finish and i feel relaxed at home now.

62 miles for the week - now for a cut-back week - yipeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

21/04/2013 at 14:16

Sleepy - a comment on your training paces for MP based on your 10k time - i set my training paces on what i know i can achieve at the distance or what i feel is a reasonable target - this means that my 5k/10k/half paces are based on proven best possible times in races with my marathon pace based on my target pace of a 3:56 marathon vs my PB of 4:05 cos i know i can run most of the way in a race at 3:56 pace (and one day maybe i can keep going to the end at that pace) - if i were to set my MP training pace based on my 5k/10k/half times it would be too fast for me.  Just some food for thought.

21/04/2013 at 15:26

Reiki kicked ass big time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

21/04/2013 at 16:21

Hey oscarr - I know what you mean but I'm gonna give it a shot anyway - Last month the lesser paced 3 mile MP session felt just as bad and was much easier the following week.  I won't be targetting a marathon til 2014 (Kielder is the plan) so I'm keeping one eye on the MF paces as being where I want to end up.  If they feel too hard on any given day at this stage I'll just drop em a bit and aim to build towards them.  My 3:49 was a very comfortable experience from memory so I think I probably could go a bit quicker... guess we'll find out (at some point)

This raises the whole dilemma that I have with the Target 26.2 thingy - the training is very pace orientated vs heart rate based and whilst it does work - I think it'd probably injure/kill me personally.  It's no surprise to me when the superstars that get thru get ill along the way. 

Just been out and done 2h 45 (was meant to be 3hr but miscalculated) of offroad plodding.  Really wasn't in the mood today but enjoyed being out in the fields more than I would've staying on the road.

She did indeed - can't wait to hear the full story

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