Good idea, I've often thought that. And it seems that it would be a win-win situation for everyone.
I must be one of the few who has never been attracted by "doing London" - I don't understand why it has such appeal and cachet, particularly when you look at the sort of event that it has become.
But I do hate noise and crowds, so that might explain it.
I also don't understand why people who want to run it as a race, still enter, yet complain about the crowds and lack of potential to achieve PBs etc. I could never see London as a course with PB potential.
It looks as though there are two breeds of runner - so two breeds of race would be appropriate.
I'm the opposite.
I AM attracted to the crowds. I like support. As for the TV - they can piss off. Not interested in some sycophantic overpaid BBC Z lister sticking a microphone under my nose to ask me who I'm running for.
Unless of course they want to hear my rant about running being a hijacked sport in which case I'll gladly give them a few seconds of my marathon to share my unpopular views.
And I'll start with Parkrunfan says....
Hey, dont go getting me a bad reputation!
Rob, I think your keyboard is malfunctioning - it keeps posting the same post at random intervals.
Post 1 - Well debated point
Post 2 - 'You're a champion xxx' (Rob22)
Post 3 - Well debated point
Post 4 - Well debated point
Post 5 - 'You're a champion yyy' (Rob22)
Post 6 - 'Oh, and you're a champion too zzz' (Rob22)
Post 7 - Well debated point etc etc
Okay, I see what you mean....
If that guy (pete daddy) spent as much effort on running as posting his long and boring diatribe, he would piss all over the caterpiller !!
as I said before .............I love the fancy dress and the charity runners of VLM...............I think they make it a great event.................
and yes I believe it inspires a lot of people to run..............which can only be good for the nations health even if they don't become world champions...........
The elite peple can't be that worried by the charity and fancy dress runners at london.............they keep on coming back year after year and I haven't read anywhere any of them saying they won't go to london as its a spoilt big carnival............
London has evolved form the first days...............good job or people like me would never be allowed to run it................
It was only 1984 that women were allowed to run the marathon in the olympics for heavens sake........as they were not strong enough to cope with the rigours.........times change
as long as people are exercising and having fun then what on earth is the problem........if you are fast enough you should never even see any of them..............
Until running gets the money of football and some other sports then we will not have the level of champions that we used to have .....full stop............. not VLM's fault...........
I do agree with the caterpillar being wrong though.......impossible for it not to impede people in the race.........
I also object to the guy 3 years ago carrying some balloons and was only wearing a minute thong..............it took me a very long time to get past him.............I seemed to be running straight behind him for ages..............before i could bring myself to overtake.........
+1 to Seren nos. Been trying to sum up my feelings and that just about covers it.
editted to add: Nice cake. Was hungary. Now more hungary!
seren nos wrote (see)
Why? Are you an alien or something? As far as I know EVERYONE has always been ALLOWED to run it from the very first race. Or did I miss something?
And what has gender got to with it? If that is just an example of how times change then it is a bit odd to use an example of how times have changed for the better to justify a situation where times have changed for the worse. Unless, of course, you believe that all change is good and should never be questioned?
Or more to the point, if people are exercising and having fun what on earth is the benefit of having to be surrounded by attention seekers in fancy dress?
Where does running competitively=fast, fancy dress=slow come into it? You need to understand what competitive running is about - it encompasses a huge range of age groups across a huge range of abilities.
Complete and utter nonsense. How did we have the level of champions that we did then? If you think competitive athletes do it for the love of money and wouldnt put in the effort otherwise then I'm lost for words.
.I do agree with the caterpillar being wrong though.......impossible for it not to impede people in the race.........
I continue to disagree with you parkrun on this matter........apart from the last point
and in the early days how many middlegaed housewifes did you see running slowly in the marathon...........we would not have thought it was possible..................the london marathon has made it possible for many people to think that they too could run and get fit.................same as RFL hasin its own way........not everyone continues and gets fit and continues running.......but for all those who do and it helps change their lives then its worth it
I think the problem (for me) with this debate is I can see the points made by parkrunfun et al (sorry to single you out, but you posted last) are pretty sensible and rational. But emotionally I just don't quite agree with your position. Does that even make sense?
Anyway something else I was musing not really sure it's relevant....would you have a problem with a runner in fancy dress if they were just doing it for fun and not for charidee? Lets assume for the sake of arguement they were 100% not going to get in the way of other runners.
I continue to disagree with you parkrun on this matter........apart from the last point and in the early days how many middlegaed housewifes did you see running slowly in the marathon...........we would not have thought it was possible..................the london marathon has made it possible for many people to think that they too could run and get fit.................same as RFL hasin its own way........not everyone continues and gets fit and continues running.......but for all those who do and it helps change their lives then its worth it
And the second to last! Two aint bad.
Middle aged housewives? I'm not sure how you'd define 'middle aged' or how you're supposed to know that a runner is a 'housewife' (is there a certain tell tale running style? ) but what a daft statement (with all due respect). Of course there were women of all ages, of all abilities, of all shapes and sizes......what makes you think there wasnt?
You really havent grasped what running is about in all honesty. If you havent done so already, then get down to your local parkrun.
Every Saturday morning at 9am, at 60+ venues across the country something in the region of 8,000+ runners gather to 'race' over 5K. Ages range from 5 to 95, abilities are as wide as you could possibly imagine, people are free to actually compete and run fast if they wish without being sneered at, people are free to run competitively at whatever is their own level without feeling out of place, people are free to jog round and have a chat, people are free to take their first tentative steps into running without feeling any different to anyone else taking part.
And whether you finish first or last you are treated in exactly the same way with a 'tag please, well done' when you finish. No egos, no oneupmanship....at post event coffees nobody would know who won or who came last and nobody cares.
More to the point it is a regular activity that represents everything that is good about grassroots running and encouraging people into the sport and a great place for advice and encouragement.
If you think that it is attention seeking fancy dress 'look at me' runners who represent what running is all about then we'll have to agree to differ I'm afraid.
Parkruns are one area where i will definitely not argue with you.........the best things since sliced bread...........
It has also helped me with all my speed training this year.i love them......................
But as its not well known to those outside the running community or to those who live near one......it doesn't have a great potential to bring people into the sport
and yes middleaged housewifes are easy to tell............and all the pictures I have seen of the early london marathons.........were mainly all men and virtually all the people taking part looked liike runners..................no middle aged spread and grey hair to be seen ...............same as the local running clubs here at those time......filled with good male runners and not much else..........( I know because a lot of them are still running and in their older years are enjoying talking and running to the younger women)
parkrunfan, while I agree with a lot of what you say, just check seren out before you go much further.
You might find, for eg that she runs park runs as part of her mara training.
And that she's one of Forum Six. . .
I think it's fair to say that she has grasped what running is about in all honesty.
Just sayin' . . .
parkrunfan wrote (see)
As an aside, VLM keep data on the number of housewives who run. Depending on how long they’ve asked the question for you could track how open the race has been to them over the years.
Good comparison with park runs. I find the problem with these debates is they tend to polarise with people arguing for the marathon to be the preserve of the five hour fancy dress runner or the sub 3 club runner. I do want a race that is open to a wide range of abilities and running histories, but with the caveat that people should take it seriously. And to me a mark of seriousness is more how many wet and miserable 20 milers you’ve run, not necessarily your final racing gear.
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