Halstead marathon

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27/04/2013 at 13:04

Minks - bad week but we will redeem it at Halstead. I reckon with your training Halstead might just be your type of course!

i'm doing 18 as well. Did toy with 20 but like you not worth the risk. After that I'm doing a reasonable amount of faster stuff but nothing too long. Your training sounds very similar to mine. Been doing 40-45 most weeks with 4 x 20 and lots off 15-18 milers. 

27/04/2013 at 17:27

Hi DS2, yes, that training sounds pretty much the same as mine.  Also planning shorter runs after tomorrow but some faster (MP and tempo pace) ones.  Will do 10 next Sunday then not too much the week after.

I've been doing long Sunday, then 3 recovery on Monday, 7 or 10 Tuesday depending on whether a hard week or a recovery week, 7 Wednesday and 5 Friday.  So most weeks over 40 and have maxed at about 47 I think.

I'm trying not to let myself get too worked up about Halstead.  I think I invested everything in London and it was an emotional as well as physical investment - consequently it's felt like a long way to fall.  I'm trying to be more relaxed about this one - I feel quite laid back about tomorrow's long run whereas usually it's on my mind all day Saturday and I'm stressing over what to eat/drink the night before and whether it will affect my stomach the next morning, whether to have a glass of wine or not ... today I'm just being chilled and doing what I like!  I haven't told anyone except my husband about Halstead and don't plan to - the less pressure the better!

27/04/2013 at 17:31

Jason, I would bin the 20 tomorrow - I toyed with it and decided it might just be a step too far.  16 didn't seem enough given my last 20 was 31 March, so compromised on 18.  I've got a nice undulating route to do, which bizarrely I'm actually looking forward to.  I love my canal runs around Lee Valley Park but it'll make a change to run from home and enjoy some of the local countryside,especially now everything's starting to green up.  Have had quite enough of looking at bare branches and arid fields!

Just hoping it's not too hot on 12th but not thinking about it too much as it's one thing I can't control!

27/04/2013 at 19:59

Minks - sounds like we have a similar strategy to the next two weeks as well. it has been very hot last two years but quite a lot is shaded by trees so you can get some respite.

good luck tomorrow everyone. Jason - I wouldn't do 20 tomorrow if I were you but maybe an easy 18 would be worthwhile. 

You are quite mad as demonstrated by the trail marathon with not much training so I'm sure you'll do ok and your age is on your side. Remember I'm twice your age!!!!

Edited: 27/04/2013 at 20:00
27/04/2013 at 20:49

Ah, the benefits of youth ... [nostalgic thoughts] ...

I'll be 44 in June, have a hugely energetic six year-old son and work part-time; in all honesty I think I'm far more active and definitely much fitter than I was when I was in my 20s!  I didn't take up running until I was 32 but I'm so glad I did - it changed my life in so many ways.  On a typical day I'm up at 6:30, probably get to bed about 11:30 and hardly stop in between so the stamina I've built up over years of running has been very beneficial!

Run well tomorrow everyone; I will report back after my 18 miles.  Just enjoying a cheeky glass of white wine now ...

27/04/2013 at 22:25

Running becomes a way of life doesn't it? I always find I can do so much more when I' m fit. 

Just been looking at the weather forecast for 12 May. Looking a lot cooler now but windy. 

Just been out walking the dog. Feels quite cold. Should be ideal for tomorrow's LSR. 

28/04/2013 at 06:38

Not even thinking about the weather for 12th yet - too soon for any forecast to be accurate.  But hope it isn't too windy - that would be almost as bad as too hot as far as I'm concerned!

Frosty out there this morning, but lovely and bright and sunny.  Toast and a cuppa and then I'll head out by 7:30.

28/04/2013 at 19:57

So how did everyone's runs go today?

I did 18 as planned and it was a cracking morning.  Rather surprised by the sight of ice on the car first thing, and toyed with wearing my gloves, eventually deciding to leave them behind (right call!)  I'd decided to try to run at a comfortable 8:15-8:20 pace, mainly because doing such a long run two weeks out is cutting it close and I didn't want to trash my legs completely, but also because I've done all my LSRs too fast and actually wanted to enjoy this one!

Undulating route through Cuffley, Potters Bar, Barnet, Cockfosters and Crews Hill, quite a lot on roads but quiet at 7:30 on a Sunday morning, and the last four miles on bridleway (downside - they were ALL uphill).

Splits were: 8:20, 8:09, 8:14, 8:06, 8:10, 8:14, 8:17, 8:13, 8:16, 8:04, 8:29 (big hill), 8:08, 8:17, 8:16, 8:20, 8:12, 8:22 (series of short, steep inclines), 8:09.

Much easier to keep pace consistent when I changed my Garmin display to current pace and current lap time only - something I always do in the marathon, and completely forgot to do last Sunday but wish I had remembered as it keeps you focused in the moment and focused on the pace (much more accurate pacing for some reason than the main screen).

I was pretty pleased with that.  It felt comfortable until about 15 miles, but I had forgotten that the whole of the last four would be uphill and I was pretty hot by that point too.  Had run out of Lucozade Sport when I checked the cupboard this morning, so made my own isotonic drink with orange barley squash, water and a couple of grinds of salt.  It tasted OK and did the job, but not quite as well as LS so I shall be bringing some of that in two weeks' time.

Post-run, both glutes really ache - keep wanting to squat to relieve it! - and right hamstring is a bit tight but otherwise OK.  Today's run was fairly hilly and I can't imagine the Halstead course will be as challenging so should be OK.  Finished in 2:28 today which was fine.  Plan for this week is a couple of five milers, a couple of three milers and a 10-miler on Sunday.

28/04/2013 at 20:17

Excellent running Minks. I'm afraid I didn'drop a thing. I woke up yesterday morning with a really painful neck and it had hardly eased today. Resulted in a rather painful headache both days.

it feels a bit looser now, but I think I did the right thing. I may try to do it tomorrow afternoon and then an easy week before 10 or so Sunday and a few light runs in the week before the marathon.

Hopefully will be a lot better tomorrow.

i imagine you are feeling a lot happier than last Sunday. Well done on getting it done!

28/04/2013 at 22:06

Hey hey- successful parkrun directorship yesterday-153 runners I dI'd 4 miles MP in the evening after a beer and today I did 12 miles easy, but 30s per mile faster than my usual easy with miles 7-9@ MP- would have been 7-10 but needed to slow down for emergency toilet use

so feel like I need to taper a bit more than my plan says now, but we'll see how I feel tomorrow

28/04/2013 at 22:07

Well done on ur run minks- what's ur taper plan?

29/04/2013 at 09:14

That's a nuisance about the bad neck and headache, DS2 - I hope it eases off and enables you to get a run in today.  Well done on your 12 Angela - I had to take a toilet stop at 7 miles yesterday (after going twice before setting out!) so it was a good thing I'd just passed a field with a public footpath sign as otherwise it could have been awkward!

Taper plan (mark 2!) is 3, 5, 5, 3, 10 this week, then 5, 5, 3 next week with the race on the Sunday.

Slightly worried by how tired my legs felt after yesterday's run - the pace was much slower than I've been doing for my long runs but my glutes really felt dreadful afterwards.  The only hard running I've done in the past few weeks is the first 12 miles of the marathon last week and I wouldn't have thought that would take it out of my legs that much. They feel better after a night's rest but still a little stiff - a gentle recovery run later should loosen them hopefully.

Still undecided on whether to try for a PB at Halstead, or run it for a London GFA and aim for a PB there next year.

29/04/2013 at 09:21

Hiya Minks- what do u need for a London GFA?  They changed them :-S   I know I'm really far away from it still, but was hoping to set a GFA next year, perhaps in Berlin - with the new time I think it might be too much of a stretch goal, but we'll see how I do in Halstead before giving up on it!

My legs still feel a bit tight today, but I know exactly why.  I've been super lazy about my stretching lately, so this evening I'll go for a quick spin on the bike, then a long stretching session.

My plan has 4,5,4,3, 8 this week and then 3,4,2, race next week.  I might cut out one of the 4s this week, but we'll see.  Tempted to do that 3 as a parkrun, but not sure what sort of pace to do- scared to race it properly as I'm bound to hurt something and wreck my marathon, but I've never actually run a parkrun.... hmmm

29/04/2013 at 09:31

Morning all,

13 miles yesterday at 8:30 marathon pace, well 8:33 to be precise and felt really easy. i decided to cut the mileage because of the heat, I have plenty of 18 plus runs in the bank so didn't feel there was much to be gained in flogging myself in the sun so erred on the side of caution.

My taper is 5,5,3,10  this week and 4,3,2 followed by some jog in the countryside at the weekend.

29/04/2013 at 10:48

Hi Angela, my understanding was that the current GFA times would hold for entries for VLM 2014 and would be revised thereafter.  It would seem a bit unfair to change the thresholds without giving any notice for 2014.  As it stands it's 3:50 for women 30-45 I think.  My PB is 3:19 - had wanted 3:15 in London but if I decide to go for a PB at Halstead I shall err on the side of caution and just aim to slightly better 3:19 rather than going hell for leather for 3:15.  I wouldn't do the Parkrun if I were you - there will be plenty of opportunities after the marathon to go for it.  If you do it now and end up racing it you may scupper your marathon - it's not worth it.

Oirisheyes (great name BTW!) that sounds sensible. It did get very warm yesterday.  I was surprised to set out in 4 degrees and get back two and a half hours later in 16 degrees!  Was wearing a light fleece to start with; stuck it as long as I could then ended up tying it round my waist.  Was feeling quite uncomfortable in tights and a long-sleeved top by the end, but would have been freezing first thing.

I'm planning 3, 5, 5, 3, 10 this week but might cut one of the 3s.  I'll see how the week goes time-wise.

29/04/2013 at 11:17

The London GFA womens' times have changed slightly I think - it's now sub-3:45 for women 18-40 and sub-3:50 for women 41-49.  I don't know if the men's times have been changed; they still seem really tough compared with the women's times.

29/04/2013 at 11:24

I'm just trying to find out if I've just found an extra 5 minutes since I'm 50 on race day!!!

That would be such a bonus!

29/04/2013 at 12:33

What - you're 50 on Halstead race day or 50 on VLM 2014 race day?

29/04/2013 at 12:47

I'm 50 on VLM race day. I called them and they confirmed that it is 50 on race day. I wasn't too sure but someone on another thread who knew the previous rules said as long as you are 50 on or after the race day (ie 13/4/2014) and achieved Sub 3:20 then you qualify!

That would mean 7:38mm all the way!

29/04/2013 at 13:02

Blimey I turn my back for 5 mins and it's all happening!

Apologies for the random scattergun approach for this post but I'm trying to remember all the snippets I've caught over the last week.

Minks/Kevin - Welcome!

DS2 - How's the neck? You didn't strain it trying on your medals did you?

Angela - Cracking turnout at your Parkrun must be a really good feeling to see all the planning and hard work translate into smiling faces!

I've had the week off with the new pup and found a new respect for those with kids as at least I could stick her in her crate and go for a run (I believe this is frowned apon as far as children go)!

The really good news is that the wobble with my knee was exactly that and after a few days off it appears to be very much business as usual which is a massive relief!

Wasn't yesterday morning almost perfect conditions for a long run?

It's the second week I've reduced my long run, last week was 15 miles (ish) with the last 5-6 @ MP and this week was around 14 miles and truth be told ended up as more of a "steady" pace than slow.

Both runs (and everything in between) have felt pretty comfortable, I'm aiming for 3:40 at Halstead and at the moment I feel like I've got just the right combination confidence and trepidation (or downright fear)!

I'm always a little wary of going into the taper as I always find it that either it gets very easy to skip the "little runs" or they seem to need a lot more effort that they should!

Count me in for any meet ups before/(during)/afterwards, I was going to suggest posting all our race numbers so we could get each others supporters to keep an eye out but not sure that will work if we don't get our numbers in advance!

Off to Sweatshop tonight to claim my Monthly Parkrun prize of FREE RUNNING SHOES and no doubt fail miserably at avoiding all other temptation!

Keep up the good work folks

p.s. Angela - I'd be tempted to do your Parkrun but run half at MP and the rest at your slow run pace (but you don't have to listen to me as I'm volunteering at ours that Sat)!


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