I've just downloaded my sub 3.15 plan and I'm not sure about it; I know that better running brains than mine have created it but it's so different from what I've done before. 4 runs a week, much lower mileage and far fewer long runs. I'd love to trust it but my marathon's at stake! Does anyone have any experience of a similar plan and how did your race go compared with what you'd done before?
They are very suspect to me....way too little mileage.......aparantly according to the RW coaches they have been used in japan
I can see the point of perhaps resting for an extra day, but the speed endurance and number of long runs just don't look enough. I'd like to see some results before I commit myself away from my tried and tested, but if someone could convince me otherwise I'm all for new ideas.
Minni wrote (see)
If you have a tried and tested plan then why change it
Exactly what I was thinking. All I've ever done when approaching the next marathon (I've only done three) is to build upon what I did last time. If I'd had a disaster then I might think about a completely new approach, but if the plan basically worked and I understand why it worked, the only changes I would make might be tweaks here and there. Given that I'm a more experienced runner with experience and miles under my belt, that's likely to involve either increases in mileage or quality, or both. If your schedule is tried and tested, going back to one which involves less mileage on fewer runs seems like a retrograde step.
I think Phil and Minni have said what I was thinking.
Unless you are very talented or have years of quality runnung under your belt then 3.15 off less runs and smaller mileage seems like a very tough ask.
To get myself from 3.30 to sub 3.15 I had to up my number of runs from 4 to 5 a week and also add in more long runs. 5 x 20 milers vs 3.
You're all saying what I'm thinking! I'll cut it down from 6 days to 5 and use the quality of what's in the plan because that does look sensible, but I'm going to keep the long runs and perhaps run them differently. So all in all I'm taking what I think are the best bits of theirs and mine; I'll let everyone know what happens at the end of it all!
Yes 5 x 20 milers, but also with some Marathion paced miles within them near the end so you legs are more fatigued and you can replicate how legs will feel on the day.
I'd also say you'd need to be doing 45+ a week. I was averaging 50 - 55 a week over 5/6 days.
I did 7 or maybe 8 runs at 20m or more for my 3:20 last year and will be doing the same this year for sub 3:15.
Miss K - what plans have you used in the past?
I've based my plan on 6 days, peaking at 50 miles with 4 x 20-milers (including a 20m race) and a couple of 22s; track sessions and stand-alone marathon paced sessions, but I don't think I did enough tempo, so I need to put that right this year.
Yes i've used this plan for all 4 of my marathons and swear by it, but then i'm not doing a marathon at 3.15 pace but I love it and it really works for me and I have have got quicker with time, knocking an hour off my first ever marathon time by following this time, I have found that as well as the running I have added swimming in and also do some core exercises which have helped meI guess I use this as my base and add things like swimming and exercises but I have to say as a newbie to marathon running when I started 18mths ago, it really really worked for me
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