London Marathon Good For Age

is it or not???

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29/04/2013 at 16:04

London Marathon are trying to defend their timing by suggesting that they wanted to wait till they could analyse the results of this year's race before setting the qualifying times.  Really?!  Was the distribution of times going to differ that much one way or another, that it wouldn't have made more sense to let people know what times they required before the race was run?  If I was a senior male, borderline 3:05 form and ended up jogging in at 3:07 thinking I'd qualified, I'd be mighty pissed off I think.

29/04/2013 at 16:08
seren nos wrote (see)

there is a campaign that you can sign that is going around asking VLM to look at those cases that had the correct time prior toi the change

The selfish side of me thinks...  "for everyone who does get in via GFA, that's one less place available via the ballot"

But in truth, what they've done (i.e. the lack of notice) is a long way from being fair, and should be reversed for 2014.

29/04/2013 at 16:17

Like Phil says, I very much doubt that the distribution year-for-year is so vastly different that they need to wait till the last minute and then change the goalposts.

Why cant they just update based on the 'following' year. So for instance the GFA times released now would apply to the 2015 marathon. Then next year they update the GFA to apply to the 2016 marathon. That way its fair for all involved.

29/04/2013 at 16:19

David 

cougie    pirate
29/04/2013 at 16:19
It does seem unfair.

I suspect there's only about 1000 places in the ballot once all the other places are taken. Now with this change there may be as many as 1500.
seren nos    pirate
29/04/2013 at 16:20

what is worse is tbhey realease after th ballot has finished so that people who thought they had a place can't even enter the ballot.bad organisation...

but i agree that the times needed to be adjusted.........

why should 23 year old slip of a girl be able to get the same time as a 48 yr old woman

29/04/2013 at 16:27

Lets face it, its pretty disorganised, hence why I would rather run much nicer marathons and let the plebs run London.

 

29/04/2013 at 16:27

It's tough.... as someone said all those years ago we only had 2:35 to aim for - with a 3:04 I failed to get through the ballot for about 8 years - that was the way it way.  The times look incredibly fair now though could still do with a bit more space for the over 50s.

The times were in before the ballot closed though

29/04/2013 at 16:30

I too agree with the adjusting - it really needed to be done, BUT agree with Dave Falconer, they should given us a year's notice and applied this to 2015. I am a 2:35 runner at best and so could quite easily have run 3:05 yesterday rather than 3:06. (I splitted halfway at 1:26 comfortably yesterday) Just assumed I'd done enough - damage limitation like in a heat for a track meet. Serves me right for coasting at the end I guess, but 'forewarned is forearmed' as they say. Just have to re-adjust training plans and psyche up mentally for yet another marathon now and throw my BUPA 10K place out the window. Just plain annoying!

29/04/2013 at 16:31

Hang on everyone, there has been knowledge VLM was planning to change GFA. Even some speculation on this forum. This has been on the books for some time. They even removed the GFA times from their website before changing. So everyone thinking they were going to get through were leading themselves the wrong way. Ok, pretty heavy-handed VLM change GFA times the same day as the ballot. But its their event and they have every right to change this without notice. Every much as they have the right to change the route without notice or the start, the finish. If those don't like it, complain, boycott but whatever way, they will not listen and will not change it.

29/04/2013 at 16:43

I think you'll find the VLM don't own London and unless they play fairly it would be very easy to kick them out and get others in who do know how to organise properly.

 

29/04/2013 at 16:52

One thing I know for sure, the LM Limited will not be kicked out and no one will be replacing them. The London boroughs which the race goes through are more than happy. Even the fact LM Limited have the Bupa 10,000, the Corporate Challenge, Ride London as well with a possible future London 1/2 starting from the Olympic Park. For LM to organise a marathon which includes assembling the best runners of the way, getting all the runners from three starts, organising the exhibition, applying for road closures, planning with local councils, the police. Cannot see many others filling their shoes.

29/04/2013 at 16:55

The impact of the GFA change is that, based on last weeks VLM results, there would be approx 90 less men qualifying ( 200 less 18-40's and 110 more 50-65's ) and 225 less women qualifying ( no gains for the women, all bad news )

Over the past 3 years the GFA success % has been gradually increasing so i guess if that continues there would be less charity places available. So the cynic in me says that those who have lost out will be replaced by more charity runners as opposed to ballot places ....

 

Cheerful Dave    pirate
29/04/2013 at 16:57

Really?  So just how would you go about kicking them out, David?

29/04/2013 at 16:58

Well said runnerman! It is a magnificently organised event even if I did wish they would let more higher quality runners in with slightly more relaxed qualifying times.

I am obviouskly happy that I have an extra 5 minutes to meet my new GFA of 3:20 but I still think this is harder to achieve than when I was easily running Sub 3 in my late 20's.

The organisers keep many, many people happy and unfortunately we are talking of a very small group in the 3:05 to 3:09 category so I can't see them being too bothered.

cougie    pirate
29/04/2013 at 17:05
DF3 - VLM aren't ever going to please everyone. OK so a few people are put out by the changes - but they've made it massively easier for a bigger number of people.

They won't get kicked out at all.
seren nos    pirate
29/04/2013 at 17:19

a a small group of under 40 women who have to get 5 mins faster than the over 40's now....

they made it a lot easier a few years ago for the youngsters so this just balances it back a bit

 

29/04/2013 at 17:19

I missed with the GFA changes, can qualify for Boston marathon with my 3:09 ran in Paris. Thought Boston was harder to get into?. Does not make sense to me, should have same times for both race. I suppose thats coming from someone without a time.

29/04/2013 at 17:24

I likewise had no joy when phoning them, after finally getting through after trying all day!

unsure if  I can do a run in the summer before cut off, considering I have a baby coming in 3 weeks  

 

im just so disappointed... If they had advertised 3:05 I would have went for it, and at least now I would either have made it or not, but at least tried! I did what I had to do, and enjoyed the run... It's a real shame and a real let down by vlm

29/04/2013 at 17:27

Wow the ballot closed quickly, just got home from a trip and its all over!!! Still have a GFA even with new qualifying times. Feel very sorry for those who miss out with new times.

 

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