London Marathon Good For Age

is it or not???

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25/04/2013 at 15:20
I was at the very front of the green start this year, yes on the ribbon! The celebs were then brought in front but they were only about 5 deep. The FGFA go at the front of the red.
25/04/2013 at 15:26

I was pen 2 on Green but it was saying 1-2 on the board....got there early and ended up right at the front with just a few celebs to get past.  The first half a mile was a bit dodgy with some elbow bumping but it spread out quickly enough I thought.

25/04/2013 at 15:26
Ok, rang VLM - they are reviewing the GFA times, info will be on the website next week, but they advise applying through the ballot. If you qualify under the new GFA criteria, they will change your ballot place to a GFA place.

Hey ho - what time on the 29th does the ballot open?
25/04/2013 at 15:26

x-post....by elbow bumping you know who I'm talking about Minni

25/04/2013 at 15:27

My assumption is VLM have already decided on the GFA changes ages ago. Find it very hard if the race director hasn't decided when the ballot opens next week. A report was sent to former race director Dave Bedford regarding the male veteran GFA which poses to be unfair. He wanted more info and its more than accepted GFA will change with extra age catergories for male veterans which will reflect a fairer GFA system. If you under 40, expect the same qualifying time. 40, 50, 60+ may be different. I think there will be little change to women's GFA. However, pretty stupid for VLM to ask everyone to apply through ballot before giving away GFA times.

25/04/2013 at 15:34
Lol Freemers! But you still got away!
cougie    pirate
25/04/2013 at 15:41
I like the way runnerman talks. I'm finding it very soothing ! Say it again dude !
25/04/2013 at 16:30
runnerman - good point, well made! Whatever the outcome, some of us will be happy and some won't. Just like the ballot results really!
25/04/2013 at 16:32

I'll be more than happy for them to push it out to 3:17 for a 46 year old

25/04/2013 at 16:50

Here are a few quotes from an old thread on the les Croupiers forum, this is the background to rumours of GFA changes.  There may be a few tweaks but it is the men's 41-59 group which is the obvious black spot..

2012.. An interesting piece of news on the "good for age" entries.
Our own Jeff Aston is currently submitting his "stats" to David Bedford, to hopefully change the London Marathon "good for age" entries.
At the moment you will see that the 41 to 59 year olds have the same qualifying times. Jeff thought that this was unfair to the late 50s and decided to do some stats to divide the groups into smaller age groups.
His idea went through Welsh Masters, then British masters. I then as secretary obtained the backing of Martin Duff and Steve Smythe from Athletics Weekly and approached Dave Bedford alongside Jeff. Dave has now asked Jeff to compile the stats and it looks hopeful that they will be adopted for 2013. (2012 entries are already out)
Jeff was also inspirational in changing the number of scorers in the women's age groups at the British Masters relays, a few years ago, also.

2013.. When the GFA proposal from Jeff was submitted to the London Marathon, being the BMAF Road Race Secretary at that time, I also had a massive interest in Jeffs proposal. As your query states, nothing since has happened. To be exact, David Bedford had only agreed to look at them.
As there had not been any noticable movement on the proposal, I personally spoke to Dave Bedford on this in London last week and he seemed to think that Jeff's info was mislaid. Jeff has now submitted his updated proposal with this year's stats included, to Dave and the new Director Hugh Brasher and they have both been received by them.

All I can say is watch this space!

 Jeff's stats took into consideration the number of masters  each age band over the last few years and when his suggested GFA entry totals were applied it still did not exceed the current range of competing masters in the VLM. Therefore the VLM would not have a problem with final totals. Should the totals increase, it would be relatively easy to tweek the age band times to reduce the final total masters entries. In recent years though, the overall average race finishing times seem to have become slower than the average times produced 20 year ago, which makes Jeff's GFA proposition in age bands a much fairer entry system to the o/50 applicants.

I speak as a 55 year old

 

Edited: 25/04/2013 at 16:52
25/04/2013 at 17:27

Here's a few stats from VLM 2013 for MEN only

So, of 12051 male runners in the 18-39 category, 1127 managed the GFA time for the category = 9.4%

Overall, 2463 of 21975 men qualified as GFA = 11.2%

The WOMENS TOTAL was 1822 of 12214 = 14.9% 

I can post the splits by category if anyone is interested but basically the GFA times seem reasonably fair for Women and the % GFA success is fairly steady with age , increasing  ( as the mens does ) over age 65 ...... but then if they can get through a Mara aged 65+ the bloody deserve it !!!!

cat       %qual     qual no.  cat.no     gfa 

18-39    9.4%      1127      12051     3:10

40-44    15.4%      570       3699      3:15

45-49    14.6%      412        2821     3:15 

50-54      9.1%      157       1733     3:15

55-59      4.8%        39         818     3:15

60-64      8.2%        39         476     3:30

65-69     24.9%        60         241    4:00

70+       43.4%        59         136     5:00 

TOT       11.2%       2463     21975

25/04/2013 at 17:30

Based on that it looks like the 50 - 64 year olds will get a bit of help and the under 50's who've narrowly missed out will have to work harder ...... BUGGER !!!

Edited: 25/04/2013 at 17:31
25/04/2013 at 18:02
I'm hoping to be gutted if they make the GFA 2:59:59 and I miss out by 44 stinking seconds :-/
25/04/2013 at 18:04

Be interesting to do an analysis on the number getting through over time... only VLM can know for certain, but my guess is that they have been increasing a little as the ballot has got bigger and GFA has become an aspirational target for more people near the boundary (this is a good thing by the way).

25/04/2013 at 19:52

When they last changed Boston QTs they gave over 18 months notice so everyone knew where they stood. Mind you, having a Boston QT does not guarantee entry as they accept the fastest runners in each age cat until they are full.Some club runners train hard to get a GFA and not to announce the times beofre the ballot opens is ridiculous.

25/04/2013 at 21:16
Mace, that is good stats there, looking at those I would hope the 3:10 would not change as that is not where the problem lies.

All I would say is New York and Boston have given ample notice when changing times. For London to change times now without notice would be ridiculous... Many have trained hard to achieve set times, now is not the time to move goalposts...
I would accept a tougher time next year (if I had to) but to finish the race, knowing I had achieved my time, to now be told I actually haven't, would be heart breaking
26/04/2013 at 10:01
Paul, I really think this is the issue here. Qualification times evolve with the event BUT change must be notified in adavance to give runners the oppertunity to achieve the new times BEFORE the next GFA entry.
26/04/2013 at 10:02

I sent my application to Good For Age address and they already sent me a letter back to say they are doing an online system for Good For Age entries. They said to look on the website at end of May and i should be up and running then. I'd imagine they wouldnt change the good for age qualification times, they only changed them a few years ago form sub 3:00 to sub 3:10 for males 18-39...Hope this helps... 

cougie    pirate
26/04/2013 at 10:17
There's another thread on here where someone at LM have said that they're toughening the GFA times. So I think that cancels out what we've had here. So they should leave it alone and stop us from fretting any more !
26/04/2013 at 16:25

Rumour that VLM "may" be making an announcement this afternoon,

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