runner dies at brighton marathon

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15/04/2013 at 09:58

"Medics and an off duty plod" suggests to me that immediate, within the first 60 seconds after arrest, attention was not given. About 4 minutes after arrest it is generally too late to start an effective resuscitation.

Whilst survival rates are not good, many people have a cardiac arrest because they are old and/or otherwise unhealthy... If this chap was otherwise healthy his chances would have been more than 2%.

I am not saying that someone very close by having first aid skills would have been some sort of magic solution to this tragic event. But having some knowledge can make a difference.

15/04/2013 at 10:17

Let's face it, none of us has any way of knowing whether the first person to attend to him was or wasn't someone who had trained to do CPR. But it could be that the person responded precisely because they had been.

And whether he was subsequently attended by St John's Ambulance an off duty policeman or paramedics, all of those are trained to perform CPR. 

cougie    pirate
15/04/2013 at 10:20
You weren't there though ? So why try and work out the response time from what little information there is available ?
15/04/2013 at 10:25

SideBurn - as the 2 above have said, don't speculate.

no doubt there will be an inquest in due course (as I believe this is the case where there is a sudden unexplained death) and the facts regarding the attendance may come out fully then

but no matter what, you cannot EXPECT full and immediate medical care in all cases - it just won't happen.  

15/04/2013 at 10:33

The Guardian reports that "immediate medical attention" was given, from medics, doctors and police.

Chances of recovering from SCA with immediate care from paramedics is ~2%.  Defib within five minutes can push that to 30%.  However, this guy may well have been screwed before he even hit the deck.  Here endeth the speculation.

15/04/2013 at 10:36

When tragic events like this occur I always wonder what their training had looked like - if he had been running 50 miles a week then perhaps we should all be going to the GP for an annual heart check up (I'm not sure if this would help diagnose this risk or not) - if he had done hardly any training then at least we would understand that he was at an increased risk on the day (although at 23 it is obviously highly unusual).

Either way it doesn't make it any less tragic but it would just help us all understand how exposed we are to the same risks if we run a marathon.

15/04/2013 at 10:47

Not sure why all the hysteria? people drop dead going for walks, driving car etc.

Its unfortunate and its life

R.I.P

cougie    pirate
15/04/2013 at 10:54
Exactly Carbloader.
Someone pops their clogs watching tv and its not reported.
Someone dies in a race and its big news. People jump on the bandwagon saying how sport is bad for you.

Its very sad still.
15/04/2013 at 11:02

I feel for the medics in these sorts of situations too. Imagine having an apparently fit and healthy young person lying there dead in front of you? Very sad.

15/04/2013 at 11:11
I went passed the sad event, whilst he was getting cpr and mouth to mouth. It was very upsetting to see. He was getting the attention but cannot comment on the people doing it.

I do echo the thoughts of cougie, and until the facts are released will reserve judgment on training etc...
15/04/2013 at 11:17

Let's wait to see what the lesson is before we try to learn it re: training, medical help available, gels/supplements etc. It's all speculation at this point and not doing much good.

15/04/2013 at 11:28

Reginald... that definitely brings a different perspective.

15/04/2013 at 12:19

i was really sorry to hear about this. RIP. I mean, 23, Jesus!

15/04/2013 at 14:38
fat buddha wrote (see)

SideBurn - as the 2 above have said, don't speculate.

no doubt there will be an inquest in due course (as I believe this is the case where there is a sudden unexplained death) and the facts regarding the attendance may come out fully then

but no matter what, you cannot EXPECT full and immediate medical care in all cases - it just won't happen.  

 

I am not speculating or criticising anyone; just asking people to make an effort to learn at least basic first aid... that is all.

I have been in this situation; I am happy that I did all that I reasonably could, but it was still not a nice situation to be in. How I would have felt if I did not know what to do...

That is why I ask people to learn; simple.

15/04/2013 at 14:44
SideBurn wrote (see)
fat buddha wrote (see)

SideBurn - as the 2 above have said, don't speculate.

no doubt there will be an inquest in due course (as I believe this is the case where there is a sudden unexplained death) and the facts regarding the attendance may come out fully then

but no matter what, you cannot EXPECT full and immediate medical care in all cases - it just won't happen.  

 

I am not speculating or criticising anyone; just asking people to make an effort to learn at least basic first aid... that is all.

I have been in this situation; I am happy that I did all that I reasonably could, but it was still not a nice situation to be in. How I would have felt if I did not know what to do...

That is why I ask people to learn; simple.

sadly your comment ""Medics and an off duty plod" suggests to me that immediate, within the first 60 seconds after arrest, attention was not given." is implied criticism but you have no real facts to base that on.  that's the point that's being made  

and I don't think anyone will disagree with your comment about getting 1st aid skills.

15/04/2013 at 15:01

What I am saying is don't wait for the medics.... do what you have been trained to do; simple.

cougie    pirate
15/04/2013 at 15:13
Which might be exactly what happened here ?
Edited: 15/04/2013 at 15:40
15/04/2013 at 15:51

exactly Cougs

 

15/04/2013 at 18:21

This is so sad, my thoughts are with his family and friends. I did Brighton yesterday and to be honest I don't feel like celebrating. I got told about Sams collasp yesterday on the way home on the train, and found out later on that Sam had died.

15/04/2013 at 19:50

I read on Facebook that Sam Harper Brighouse was running the Brighton Marathon for Arms Around the Child (UK) which is a charity to help children affected or orphaned by AIDS/HIV.

I'm sure that a lot of us would like to give some money in memory of this young man whom we never met, but has affected us with his death whilst we were running in the same event. So I'll post the link:

https://www.justgiving.com/SamHarperBrighouse

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