Dr Daffs with Kaz
Hello, can I join you?
I was sort of looking for a 'get you round' group as I'm sure there was one on here when I ran the FLM (as it was) in 2007. But maybe I am imagining it...?
Anyway, in 2007 my time was 5:40:10. Around that time, my half marathon PB was around 2:26.
My PB for a half is now 2:10:23 (I ran Reading last weekend), and according to the RW race calculator, my predicted marathon time would be 4:31:50 (which, I have to say, I think is totally out of my reach). I am running London again this year.
I thought maybe sub-5 was also out of my reach but I've read through this thread and you seem to be doing similar paces to me, so is it possible after all, perhaps?
I'm up to 16 miles on my long run (18 next weekend, then 20, then taper - I am following 'The Non-Runner's Marathon Trainer', which I have used before). I can do this in just under 3 hours, although I do stop a couple of times on the way, not from fatigue, but to adjust my iPod - I must make a playlist, although I won't use it on race day anyway. So I think I could probably do 16 miles a little quicker.
I loved Reading and felt like I whizzed round (!), but a couple of days later did 8 miles and found it really difficult. Odd how that happens.
Anyway, what sort of pace are you aiming for? When I did the marathon before I had no intention of having any target time as I just wanted to enjoy it. Now I am not so sure as this thread has kind of piqued my interest....
Welcome Becksterous - of course you can join! I think there did used to be a Get You Round Forum 5 group, but we all wanted specific times this year so they've temporarily done away with it
I believe 5 hours marathon means 11.15 minute miling... I had no target for my last one either and it took me 7 hours! Thought I'd best set some kind of target this time...
Tis indeed odd how you struggle some days not others. Although doing 8 miles just a couple of days after a half your legs might just have needed some more rest!
Thanks Bam and Kaz, never occurred to me to work UP from a shorter time - I was working the 'I want to do the marathon in under 5 hours, so I have to be able to do a half in 2.20' theory You're right though!
I shall indeed just see how I get on in this one. Whatever it is, it's going to be a massive PB (current PB is 3.04...)
Kaz, have they let you shift your race number? Some of them are a bit funny about things like that! Logistics is always the first thing to go out of my head when I've got too much to think about - quite inconvenient really!!
So I sneaked out yesterday morning and did 8 miles in the sunshine
Legs weren't achey, but still a little tired from 4 miles the night before.
Played around with run/walk intervals too.
Mile 1: run1/walk1 - 12.22 (uphill, headwind, grumpy)
Mile 2: run1/walk1 - 12.04 (uphill, headwind, grumpy)
Mile 3: run2/walk1 - 12.09 (uphill, headwind, slightly less grumpy)
Mile 4: run2/walk1 - 11.34 (downhill, no wind, quite cheerful)
Mile 5: run3/walk1 - 11.32 (downhill, no wind, very cheerful!)
Mile 6: run3/walk1 - 10.14 (downhill, no wind, very cheerful indeed!)
Mile 7: run4/walk1 - 12.22 (uphill, wind behind me but starting to get tired)
Mile 8: run1/walk1 - 13.45 (uphill, VERY tired, couldn't do any more!)
So from my extensive and thorough research I have concluded... that it's best to run downhill away from the wind.
Not entirely sure that was useful - given the varying wind/hill conditions I was never really going to be able to tell which intervals were fastest! Kept my mind off something other than my legs though
Plans for this week:
Long (slow) bike ride tomorrow and maybe a short plod but will see how legs are.
Then nothing til Thursday, then similar to this week - an 8, a 4, and I'll try to do the parkrun on Saturday this time!
Thanks for posting that Daffs. Interesting if inconclusive!
I've been 'sensible' (I think) and kept my swollen glands home ...
Hi beckstrous. Good to have you in our little family
With a new half pb of 2.10 I think sub 5 is eminently do-able. Marvellous stuff . You probably still had the after effects of Reading in your legs so not to worry too much. Though tbf you can just have 'one of those days' when for no reason you feel knackered or your legs just don't want to play. Not to worry too much.
Lol Daffs. Love your research! How long now till the half?
Have to say I had one of the best runs I've had in a very very long while today. 20 miles in 3.26 - nice easy pace. Main thing was that I had plenty in the bank by the end and managed to pick the pace up in the last mile. Apart from the first three miles it was lovely and sunny and, for once, the stiff breeze was actually quite welcome! Going to try and get over to club tomorrow and do bulk of my run with them. Be nice to have a bit of company.
Hope you're feeling better soon pippi xx
20 miles kaz?? excellent work! I keep thinking you're doing a lot of miles but i guess you have to for back to back marathons! What does a normal running week look like for you? do you have to run for hours and hours??
Half is Liverpool on 23rd march, so 13 days now, eek! Pippi's doing it too
went on a women's bike ride yesterday, 24 of us, strung out like a iant unweildy freight train. Some people not done much before but we did nearly 12 miles in the sunshine (mostly not roads, you'll be glad to hear!) Mind you, that took us a good four hours, what with crossing roads and waiting for everyone and a pub stop and a picnic stop don't thinking I'll be winning the 'reet grand tour' when it comes through...
Good cross training there Daffs. Time doesn't really matter with something like that - it's getting the miles in and getting some low impact cardio work.
15 miles for me yesterday - 3.5 over to club, just under 6 with one of the guys, then rest on my own. Last couple of the miles with Doug had walk breaks in so bit slower average than on Saturday. My coach fits my training around what I've got on so today is an hour's easy run (though that should have been this morning as I was due to go out tonight but I had an awful night and couldn't get up so will have to ditch going out and run tonight), tomorrow is hills and strength circuits (which I'll do first thing), Wednesday is 8 miles, Thursday and Friday off, etc.
Not long till Liverpool then Marvellous! Pippi, definitely a good thing to get on top of the lurgy now.
Well done everyone on your weekend of training
Kaz that's very dedicated of you to give up the night out instead of the run! and yes I can only get the smiley too!
I was due to run 18 miles yesterday but unfortunately only managed 12.7. I was doing ok until 12 miles and then tried to increase pace slightly, it was uphill and on a slightly uneven pavement but I'm not really sure what happened. I decided to walk a little and then try and run it off but quickly decided to call my bf to pick me up to make sure I didn't make anything worse. The pain is only when there's weight on it, especially when walking normally (if I walk flat footed it's ok) and is on my left foot kind of underneath but to the outer of my foot underneath where my 4th/little toe is. It's hard to explain! it wasn't swollen or hot or anything so I'm hoping it's not a stress fracture. Just in front of my outer ankle is achey intermittently now too (same ache I've felt temporarily before) - does it sound like peroneal tendons??
Oh crikey Bam, so sorry to hear that! Hope you're feeling better now it's a few days later xx
I too am impressed at you giving up your night out for a run Kaz! I wouldn't have done it! Which I guess is why you're the mentor and I'm not
Nothing so far this week, been swanning around other cities all week (well, I say swanning, much of it has been spent lugging vast files of paper on and off trains, not remotely glamourous). I'll do a gentle plod this afternoon, just 4 miles or so, then possibly 6? 8? tomorrow? I'd like to do the parkrun on Saturday, but that makes three in a row the week before the half so I'm not sure that's wise - might leave it and go for a bimble on Sunday instead.
What's a sensible last-long-run-before-the-half distance? 8 will take me nearly 2 hours probably... but I don't have a nice round 6 mile loop! (although this is maybe a nice excuse to drive out somewhere new...)
That's not good Bam. How is it now? Hope the rest has helped. Not sure what it could be but would say that if it's not settling down you ought to get it checked.
Daffs, I'd say 8 max for your long run. Whether six or eight just keep the pace nice and steady. Nothing to be gained by going mad now. I'd be tempted to give park run a miss just in case you do something silly.
How does skipping my run and doing 3 hours of Jive dancing instead sound - does that count as silly?? cos that's what i just did Bloody good fun, but bloody hard work!!
Dr Daffs wrote (see)
How does skipping my run and doing 3 hours of Jive dancing instead sound?
How does skipping my run and doing 3 hours of Jive dancing instead sound?
It sounds just like you, Daffs!
guess it's still cardio work
Well I ache plenty this morning so I guess it must have done me some good!
Jive sounds much more fun than running 8 miles
Rest has helped although it's still achy but in a different place and when I point my toes to the ground it feels like there's something creaking up the sole of my foot. Doesn't hurt it just aches! Haven't done anything at all since Sunday. Tried to stay off it as much as possible and have been doing contrast therapy (hot/cold) every day. Physio at 1pm today so I'm hoping he'll say rest for a few more days and then try it out....I figured better to rest than try to run and cause damage
Ok so looks like I've got plantar fasciitis and also a tightness in the 5th metatarsal. She didn't say this but I think it's the peroneal tendons causing this part considering the aches in my ankle. I have another appointment on Wednesday. Recovery is 10 days to 4 weeks!! Marathon is 4 weeks and 2 days!! I can only swim or bike until Weds at least and as cycling causes me issues in the sacroiliac joint I'm left with swimming....
My Liverpool half number has arrived, at last!
I rather like the advice of 8 miles tomorrow, as that's what I was feeling like doing!
I had PF for a while. Fingers crossed it doesn't hang around long. I found freezing a bottle of water and then rolling my foot on it helped ease it when it was really sore.
Can you aqua jog in the pool? Might be worth a try.
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