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Minni v Dubai Dave

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11/10/2012 at 12:48

Oompa - cheers re Maidstone HM, aiming for a pb, so sub 1.24.52, maybe not quite 1.20 yet   I should be within a good shout - its an undulating course but similar to recent HM where was just outside pb with a bit of a calf pull towards the end....... Re Brighton - not doing as too soon after Valencia (week before) but I did do it last year.  A good one for a pb attempt as v flat.  As along seafront it be a bit exposed to the elements - last year was kind weather! 

11/10/2012 at 13:04

O4S: glad to see you back. I thought about you last night and was a tad worried something could be wrong.

Brolish wrote (see)

Whoop whoop congrats to the first lady on the MT podium this week!!!

Congrats, Gazelle!  Of course I forgot to submit my result to MT . I would have come third on the podium if I had .

Carrot wrote (see)

New avatar pic Chick? You look great   Don't think that you're crap at 10K running, think positive!  You are a strong runner and you can run fast.

 

I think I stick to my current avatar pic - at least I'm smiling and not gurning

Minni wrote (see)

I've been dumped today. Completely out the blue and didn't even see it coming. He said, 'I don't feel as if it's working out between us' and 'I feel like I'm being used' and 'I don't think you feel the same way about it as I do' and 'you don't seem as serious as I do'. I felt a bit sorry for him because he seemed to be genuinely upset. Perhaps I was heartless not to accept his friend request onto his phone app to see how slowly he'd run 3 miles at the weekend, and perhaps I should have shown more concern over him pulling out of a fell race instead of laughing and calling him a whimp, but me thinks that he thought he would be able to whoop my ass when out for an afterworld run and was obviously offended that the sessions he calls a long run, I use as I warm up! One less running partner!

Tee hee - one second I thought you were talking about Mr. Minni .

Dubai Dave wrote (see)

Morning

I'm in the Simon school that less is best, I have over the years weaned myself off the support shoes and now run everything in Saucony Kinvara's which have virtually no support. I did have calve muscle problems during the weaning period no doubt due to the drop in heel height placing a strain on the Achilles  / calve. But its all good now, can't say I'm tempted to go the bare foot route but I do believe that most runners don't need all the support bells and whistles. Not at all convinced that most of you need orthotics, I was told that I needed them years ago, ignored the advice let the injury heal and carried on. Any way I guess its horses for courses.

Last nights intervals wre horrid it was 31C with very high humidity, I thought I was melting. It was 6 x 1K off 2 minute recoveries which went 3.56 /3.56 /4.05 / 4.00 / 4.05 / 4.06 was struggling by the last two..

Snap, DD. Kinvaras for me too. I ran my marathon in them and absolutely love them. I couldn't go back to the old Asics bricks with orthotics in them. But I needed them at the time. They helped to get over the injury and run painfree for once. Those were speedy reps considering the heat!

Barry B wrote (see)

Still getting issues with pain on the right side of my head so went to dentist and he thinks problem is with tooth that has been filled several times and I've got a problem with the right side of my jaw.  First thing he wants to do is take out all the filling from the tooth and see what is left of the tooth.  Was in two minds whether before or after Abo and the earliest appt they've got is next Wednesday (need a long appt ), which I've gone for as hoping will solve problem and leave me pain free for Abo.  5 miles slow this morning.

 

Ouch! Dentists ... shudder! I think you did right in making the appointment sooner rather than later. Good luck!

I ran today - only 35 minutes and TBH it wasn't a run. More a slow hobble/jog type thingie. Legs unhappy. Left knee, quad and hammy all sore. Right quad too. I feel fine walking but running doesn't quite work yet. Boo, hiss

11/10/2012 at 13:29

Minni- I like your style ditching the wannabe running partner.  What did he expect???

SSheep- great news on no pain, hope it's a sign of things to come!

Can I just repeat one more time- it wasn't me on the podium, stop congratulating me everyone!!  It was Gazelle!!! Well not everyone, a few actually got it!

DD-I couldn't possibly run in this weather. It would be enough to make me move back to UK.

Barry- ouch, hope the tooth gets sorted before Abo.  I hate tooth problems.

O4S- loving your mileage!

AA- good luck with the MP run, enjoy!

2Old- 40.04- damn! So close! You'll smash it soon, I'm sure.

ST- sounds like you're on the mend. Take it easy and don't rush into things.

Chick- rest girl, you deserve it!

I have been banned from any fast stuff this week while recovering from the half and in preparation for tomorrow. I'm off tomorrow so doing my last long 20+ run then rather than on Sunday (wedding on Saturday) Planned duration run for 3h20min.  Hmmm... never ran according to time rather than distance so not sure what I end up with but will probably aim for 23-24m. Ridiculously busy at work trying to solve traffic problems in Kuala Lumpur without much background info so largely making stuff up. Love my job!

11/10/2012 at 13:49
Chick - rest up a bit longer silly! Enjoy it while you can

Cooks - you should smash your PB.

I'm too scared to move away from my addicts nimbus

Ok - I did it... 3m @ 8:29 pace then 10 miles ave 7:38 pace. So better effort than last week. And it pissed it down the entire run. Was pretty hilly 700ft ascent and hammy ached a lot. At least I know that that's NOT my marathon pace now as I couldn't do that for another 16!! Am pleased to announce a frizzy mess by the time I'd finished
11/10/2012 at 13:49

Scuba - on the MT website you can enter results for races you've done, then each week they announce a top 5 podium (men and women) of marathon's for that week. 

Chick - I did think about you when they went through the podium - you should have been on it

Bro - good luck with your last long run. About 23 should be right - I did my 23 last weekend in 3.20 as well, with the same logic as you in terms of time on feet.

Barry - hope you get the tooth sorted.

No running today so had a little retail therapy at lunchtime...a new Monsoon has opened near our office and just had to check it out

Scuba Trooper    pirate
11/10/2012 at 14:07

Anyone want a place at the great south run (10 miles) on 28th Oct in Portsmouth, there is no deferral option so money wasted unless anyone wants the place. Its a lovely flat course only issue can be the wind on the seafronts for the last mile and a bit, gutted to miss it I've done twice before and it was my first big event (back in 2008).

11/10/2012 at 14:28

Scuba T, get in there!!  That's all sounding really positive   I think someone said before on here that they know someone who seemed to recover better the more activity they did.  Sounds like the key might be 'little and often', short stints to ward off overdoing it.  Also, it is probably no bad thing to vary what you do as much as you can to get your brain functioning in as many different ways as possible.  

Brolish, sorry, hadn't quite worked out you meant Gazelle was on the podium - duh!!  OH was in KL last week, I could have got him to do some field work for you 

2old, as long as it's not a permed mohican......

Oompa, I am SOOOOOOOO over this calf injury   Hey ho, not the end of the world, I'm just looking forward to being able to post about running again!!!!!

Grumpy day for me.  Had rubbish revision day, classic pre-exam "I'll never remember it all" panic   Calmed self down, rescued the afternoon and now finished, but no time to get to the gym tonight before heading out to see friends.  At least this time next week I will be putting pen to paper and getting the hell on with it........

 

11/10/2012 at 15:22

SSheep- when are you flying in?  We will have a lot to celebrate by the looks of it..

11/10/2012 at 16:00

Cooks - Agree about Brighton as i set my 10k pb there 2 years ago. What's Valencia course profile like?

S62w, Chick & DD - Do you guys pronate/over pronate? My right foot pronates more than my left and my local running shop has in the past, scared the sh*t out of me with injury tales if i were to run in neutral shoes or even ones with very little medial support! That said i have Asics DS Racers just for races and have used up to HM distance with no apparent problems, but they do have a modicum of support?

11/10/2012 at 16:33

Oompa - I overpronate more on the right than on the left [both overpronate] and have always worn shoes that give decent support.  However the shoes give equal support to both feet and it was only when I got custom made orthotics that I got out of the never-ending cycle of injuries.  Finally, after running since 1977 , I can run without pain in my right hip.  Now I notice all the other aches instead

11/10/2012 at 17:46

Too busy to catch up today.

AA 

Chick   I wouldn't be that fortunate!

MT doesn't seem to be downloading to my iPhone.  In fact its almost had it.  Should I get the new iPhone 5, Spoons?

My colleague tried to woo me today with flashy spreadsheets but I gave him the cold shoulder.

Instead of Beetroot juice should we be all freezing then drinking our own blood before weekend racing?   It would look the same and might even taste better.

Off for a run - later my friends.

Edited: 11/10/2012 at 17:47
11/10/2012 at 18:03
Bro - My appologies re bum steer on the MT podium, which seems to have led other people astray also. I should pay attention more, but I've got a good excuse, I'm a bloke.

Oompa - It looks like you've tried everything to sort your injury out. I was a big ascis fan, having used over the years, 1100, 1140, 2150, 2160, 3030, and DS trainers. But switched to K-Swiss 100's, which by chance seemed to solve my tight hammys. Had gait analysis done and they said neutral.

Slokey - Living near a seaside resort with a big long sandy beach, I'd done a few runs over the years running barefoot on the beach, so it was something I'd tried already. Then this year whilst building up my Lsr's for Manchester mara, 17, 18, 19, and 20milers in Feb, my PF in my left heal became too painful. I couldn't manage more than 14m after that, and they were all with pain. I'm not a big mileage junkie, running only 3times a week, but x-train, cycling, gym.
With no autumn mara to train for this summer, I decided to re learn to run barefoot/forefoot style. So slowly building up mileage from just 1-2 miles running on forefoot. As DD says, Achilles/calves take alot of the strain, so you've got to be careful. I used some cheap aquashoes first just to see if it was working. Now I've got some Vivobarefoot Ultras, which are brilliant, and I've run upto 9miles in them. But when I do another mara, I'll probably use some lightweight racers, as not quite upto 26m with no cushioning yet. But the main thing is, PF is a thing of the past
11/10/2012 at 18:10
Minni - Yes drink your own blood, and while you're at it, drink your own urine, as that's supposed to be good for you too. Don't forget to put your names on the bottles on the Team Minni refuel table, or you could end up drinking someone else's.
11/10/2012 at 18:15

Just been skimming through and noticed the Fruit Shoot bottle idea.  You can get little bottles of water in packs of 10/12 in the supermarket these days (for lunchboxes) which are probably cheaper than FS and you won't have to drink the FS either

Definitely wouldn't leave gels on a communal table though, I lost one of mine at a lap marathon

11/10/2012 at 19:28
I can't look at my own urine without thinking about shaggy. He was always banging on about what colour it should be and mine is never that colour so I think I'll pass on the drinking of it!

USB - good tip but for those travelling on trains and planes it will
be easier to carry empty bottles.

Brolish - take it easy tomorrow. Definitely do a long and slow run. I got injured last year after a storming HM (knocking 4 mins off my pb) then being too cocky on a long run and going too fast. It's not worth the risk. So tomorrow if you start to get carried away them imagine me in front of you with a stick making you slow down!
11/10/2012 at 20:14

AA- well done on your MP run.  It's not supposed to feel like you could carry on for 26m, it never does!

simon62w wrote (see)
Bro - My appologies re bum steer on the MT podium, which seems to have led other people astray also. I should pay attention more, but I've got a good excuse, I'm a bloke. 

Simon- Ha ha, not to worry, I just didn't want Gazelle to think I'm stealing her thunder!

Free- hope you treated yourself to something nice.  I don't have any shops around where I work which is probably for the best but there's a new fat face now at the Waterloo station which I have to walk past most days.  Very very dangerous...

We are not really talking about drinking our blood/ urine?  I must be imagining it...

Minni- thanks for this, you actually made me think about it.  I have been buzzing like a bee since Sunday and probably going faster than I should (for a change). Moz also told me to hold back on pace tomorrow, I will make and extra effort to be good but I will leave imagining you with a stick until NY. It seems to work well so I wouldn't want to overuse it before the main event.

11/10/2012 at 20:16

These running shoes...

They are longing to stray...

Right through the very heart of it...

New York, New Yoooooooooooooooork

11/10/2012 at 21:42

Excited Bro?   Duration runs are good.  I did a 3:20 run in the spring (when I used to train for marathons!) that ended up 23 miles, was about 8:45 pace.  Set off slower for the first five miles though, about 9:00 pace.  How long have you been a coachee of Moz? Work sounds... interesting!

Ouch Barry, that doesn't sound pleasant.

Well done on the MP run AA.  I find MP always feels harder in training, you're untapered and there's traffic and stuff to contend with, plus there's nobody to race against.  Have you got a target for TM?

Good thinking USB! I like those little water bottles, they should give them out more at races.

7th place is excellent 2old, you might have been a long way off the 1st guy but so were the other 342 runners.  Shame about those pesky 5 seconds but they're only numbers really, aren't they.

Great to hear your coming on so well ST.  It's all progress and progress is good.

Chick - REST!  Enjoy the time off running.  I ran a grand total of 4 miles last week.  

Am I missing a trick with Marathon Talk?  I've never listened to it, the only way I know about it is because of on here and that Febulous thing we did earlier this year.

11/10/2012 at 21:46
Freemers wrote (see)

Weather forecast for Peterborough is now light rain...I am going to shave my head

Hooray rain 

Minni wrote (see)

MT doesn't seem to be downloading to my iPhone.  In fact its almost had it.  Should I get the new iPhone 5, Spoons?

Yes of course - and use the app DOWNCAST for your podcasts. 

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