Minni v Dubai Dave
Daren - all of those are worth trying as they can't do any harm. I don't tend to cramp much, and if I do it's generally because I need a bit more fluid in me. If I remember Norwich has cups rather than bottles, which is a pain, but even a few sips will help.
2old - waiting for the next instalment
Liverpool Marathon part 2
We ran out of the tunnel into bright sunshine and deafening drumming and shouting. My wife was there but I didnt see her. We turned right , to the north and I looked at my watch , it was frozen. I had no idea how long we were in the tunnel though it seemed quite a while. A signal returned and now my watch was recording 45mm the 35 mm.Vicky told me to reset my Garmin so I would at least have my pace reading to guide me.
At one stage somene said Vicky was 3rd female in the race. I asked her was she going to play safe and try to stay 3rd or go for higher things-she didnt answer.
Eventually I pulled away .There was a suprise hill up Water Street into the Liverpool business area and then the long run along the front where the famous Liverpool 3 Graces are .The spectators were really encouraging.
Unfortunately as we approached the 18th? mile I knew Upper Parliamentt Street approoached.It is a longish steepish hill which you really dont want at that stage particularly when there are few other runners around to work with and those I could see were walking up the hill. I dug deep and stuck at it and was rewarded with gradual down hill run into one park and from there into another park. Runners were by now pretty strung out and I set myself the goal of staying on pace and reeling in people infront.Specatators were few and far between except on corners.
I started the return section and and part went near the oncoming runners and this inspired me to dig in
About mile 22/3 there was a long gradual uphill section and I had to push hard.My pace fell below target and then I reached the highest point and I knew it was down hill and flat. I saw the 25 mile marker,that was a bonus as I missed 24 and had less to do.
I blasted back down Parliament Street as the bulk of runners struggled up the otherside. My legs were getting a real hammering now. My pace was sub 7mm and then onto the river front-how much longer? I hate the last half mile of a marathon.
Mile 26 disaster, my left hamstring suddenly became rock hard and I had to walk. I thought id blown it but I relaxed and started jogging and was away again.Then around a left hand corner ,there was the finish line and I saw the clock reading 3.09 something, I found a sprint from somewhere and finished knowing Id beaten 3.10 . Job done.
Though my garmin didnt record all my post tunnel miles accurately I managed to get a lot and these giave a bit of an idea of my pacing from about 14.5 miles.
7.09, 7.06, 7.09, 7.38, 7.08, 7.05, 7.14, 7.12, 7.28, 7.31, 6.50, 5.49(0.8 of a mile).
So the last 2.8 miles were 7.31-uphill,6.50 downhill,5.49 flat to finish.
Conclusions- steady pacing is best particularly avoiding going into the lactic threshold,toilet stops cost valuable time, there were 3 particularly draining hills which probably cost me about a minute.Regular gel taking shouldnt be underestimated. The long MP pace runs in training made a real difference . I could probably find another minute possibly two on a flatter course all other conditions being equal. Next time press lap at each mile on my Garmin!!!-did I say next time?
It was a brilliant marathon, well organised and though quieter than the big ones Ive done , in a way I preferred it as it enabled me to concentrate and focus on what I was doing a lot better.
Legs feel battered though they have been worse and otherwise just feel spent. I need feeding up!
Thanks for all your congratulations guys,youre suport and advice has contributed greatly to me getting there
Oh as a ps if you were wondering Vicky finished 7th female in 3.12
Great race reports 2old and Daren
Some stats from the chip recording
First 10k -41mins- position 174 (56 seconds slower than last Sundays 10k?)
10k to Half-52.50-position 189
First Half- 1.33.50
Half to 20 mile-50.29-position 105
Second Half -1.36..01-position 103-- so I gained 86 places in the second half
Total no of runner 3500. Last year 10000 approx.- will it be staged next year with that turn out?
Great reports, Daren & 2old. You both made my lunch break So, when is next time, 2old??And are you doing VLM, Daren??I wish we had Runpix in Germany - I passed so many people in the 2nd half, I'd be really interested in some stats
Chick-VLM next I suppose. Suprisingly my OH who is not 100% in favour of this running thing and friends thought it would be nice to go back to Chicago so that may be on the agenda for next year. I think my time qualifies me for New York too so I wonder....plenty of time to decide.
Yet another weekend of fantastic racing, well done guys and gals!
Daren/Neil - congrats on slaying the 1.30 dragon! Nice report, sounds a quick, if uninspiring course. I'd definitely recommend compression socks - I trialled them too late for VLM but have been a staple since. They're brilliant and I can't rate them highly enough.
Minni - well done on your PB. A PB is a PB is a PB and as someone else said, by shaving 2 seconds off leaves it nice and beatable for your next one!
Freemers - you must be so happy with that. A long road back, but I reckon you'll smash TM as you are in great shape.
Spooons - well done on your sub 1.40. I'd take your arm off for that at the minute!
O4S - cracking report. You really do inspire us all, please stick around
Cooks - another PB. You're way too quick for this thread!
And speaking off too quick, 2Old, definitely performance of the week. Really well done and a lovely report to boot. You must be chuffed to bits with that - sounds a very tough course, so to finish in that time, and just about in the top 100 is a brilliant effort. Take it easy for a week or two (I'm sure you won't!).
And Barry - I had to pick up on your awards story. Top work! The place I work at put on awards do's, so we can go to one a week if we like. There's so much bad behaviour around that I wouldn't worry too much - someone at one of ours was so annoyed at not winning, they got absolutely trashed and set the fire alarms off at the Grosvenor. The hotel guests weren't best pleased...
Congrats all round, it seems like everyone had a successful weekend.
I finally got around to getting the 5 inch layer of dust off of the bike (last used for L2B 2009!), and managed a 16 miler, so hopefully not long before i'm able to run again.
Downside was that Mrs Oompa grabbed the opportunity to coerce me into clearing out the garage and putting the bbq etc away for the Winter!!!
Daren- nice report and even better pacing.Some very fast miles in the mix.I had to smile when you 'slowed 'down to 6.43 and 6.52 pace. Cant say why your calves cramped up but if it was both I would guess its an accumulation of lactic acid but im probably well off the mark.Whats next if not banging out fast marathons- you have to chase down Cooks' HM pb at least!
Congrats to Minni, O4S, Forever, Daren, freemers, cooks, spoons & 2old!
Daren, great report. I always wear compression socks. Cramps or fearing them, usually take a zero or two in the hours or day before? Gazelle likes an actual salt sachet in pocket. Could do some single leg squats and similar to build legs up also.
2old - I did see you! we were in the middle island half way down Upper Parly and shouted "2old" at you. You were in the zone!Weird. I was in the pub with Vicky later, she was at Liz Yellings training camp in January with Jovi who I did the ultra with - who knows Minni. Phew. Small world.
I think the course was a little easier than last year, with 4 miles to catch your breath between Tunnel & Parliament Street rather than 2 miles and then less in the Parks. Most people knocked off 2-4 mins from last year.
The 10k mat was off by 0.2 or 0.3mile so ignore that time. sorry.Did you also run near a blady guy in white vesttop, tatto on right arm, - instructor at uber gym. He did 3:10:25 so very close to you.
Oh and I did find this photo of a speedster in Flckr.
Vicky - I bet that was the same Vicky I was chatting to in the 'elite' () pen at the GNR! Blonde, Liverpudlian?
have skimmed races reports because I've been very busy but will have a good read through after supper.
First day of starvation diet. So far: 5 Snackerjacks, 2 Bananas, 3 coffees and water. Off to have a miniscule portious of mango pork and couscous. I will run faster through weight loss, I will....
Minni - Don't worry about the diet just run more.
2old - Great report and very impressive pacing, can't see me getting anywhere near 3:10 at Abo, not being negative just realistic have been there before. Minni has set up a WAVA spreadsheet but I guess you have n't provided the important detail of your age. Guess who's the only person with a WAVA score in the 80's.
O4S - Well run at Swindon, you are right it is a tough course, and there are many people would be ecstatic to run the times you do. Congrats on the first place, that is one thing most of us will never get.
Daren - Great report and great pacing, greater things to come.
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