Minni v Dubai Dave
first Jantastic run done! gentle 5 mile recovery run
Daren - sorry to hear you're benched too. Sorry, can't do Saturday as I'm out on a work do
Another hours pilates plus another massage tonight.
hi all - some really impressive runs going on here...makes us on the road to recovery look a little pedestrian !!
another 4 mile jolly for me tonight and kept it at 9:30mmpace , good news avg hr 155 so it's dropped nearly 20bpm in 1 week...small steps i suppose !! i will stick with this until HR dropping into 140 region.
plan is to do 4 runs per wk...not part of jantastic but its my own target.
keep up the good work all
Yep that's me off the mark too with a late 3m recovery.
Glyn - its not too late to join... Jantastic.
There's been a bit of talk on the Asics threads and others about fuelling, or rather not fuelling for long runs. I'm a great believer of you only get out what you put in and when marathon training make sure I get either a recovery drink or milk and food down my neck as soon as I finish a harder session. There's all kind of talk going on about running in the evening after not eating since breakfast and not eating for 2 hours after runs the then only proteins.
Can anyone elaborate on this? I'd be worried that my muscles weren't getting what they need to recover.
I tend to only have water on long runs (over 16) and really only take gels later on to get used to them for the marathon.
I wonder what the thinking is behind this 'lack of food' approach.
Or really what I want to know is, would it make me faster?!!
Back from Ireland, lots of difficult stuff going on over there so may not be as regular posting for a while. Tempo run tonight, fast, hilly and felt great. My New Year's day race has been upgraded to 1st Place FV55 - the person 15 seconds ahead of me was running on someone else's number and was actually about 12 . Received wine and large vat of jelly babies collected for me by a clubmate.
Back to work and some semblance of normality tomorrow. Sounds like I am the only person who didn't drink any more [and possibly less] than usual during December. I also lost weight over Christmas / New year
I haven't ever read anything that suggests not re-fuelling after a run is helpful. I get the arguments about doing a few training sessions on empty, but even people who advocate this approach tend not to recommend it for all of them. There have been some good Marathon Talk interviews on this. Was it Ryan Hall who was told to radically overhaul his diet and eat more?
well just tried to register but doesn't seem to want to accept my user name / pword...
Minni - IMHO - not fuelling before a run makes it harder, not fuelling after a run means you take longer to recover and are more likely to get injured. Best bet is to fuel the same as you would in race conditions (I.e.not much, just gels and water) so your body gets used to it. During LSRs you can get away with less because you're not working so hard. I would take a gel when doing MP in long runs just to get used to taking them when running at MP.
Minni - I will run some of my LSR's unfuelled but any with MP efforts in I will take gels. Have previously done 23 miles unfuelled, to try and get the body used to burning fat as a source of energy. I always refuel straight after run usually chocolate milk.
4 miles slow into work last night. Just over 9 back home this morning, 1.5 WU then 3 x 2miles with 3 min recovery then 1 mile WD, was worried they were n't going to go well as legs felt a bit stiff during warm up but it's amazing when that beep goes on the Garmin. 6:46, 6:41 and 6:43 avg for the repeats so happy with that after my slowish Parkruns over xmas. Right I'm off to bed.
I've read a bit about the not fuelling prior to LSR's too. There may be something to it, but I'm not prepared to risk it to be honest. I'd rather have exactly the same breakfast as I'll have on race day, and then try and do the same with hydration throughout. I'd be worried the possible downside (a key 20M+ run blowing up early) is more risky than the potential benefits gained. As for post-run refuelling, chocolate milk for me too.
Simon / Chick, thanks for all of the info. The wet bezel bit doesn't bother me as I always have it running through the screens anyway, so never touch it whilst I'm out. Shall get it ordered now...
5M for me this morning, but was a bit naughty and pushed it a bit, finishing with 2 x 8.05 but it felt ok (Glyn, I told you I'd struggle to practice what I preach!)
I agree with Redwood. I think underfuelling/ running on empty is a bit risky. If I had a nutritionist at my disposal (like I imagine the elites do) who would ensure it's done correctly maybe I would give it a go. As it is, I would be worried that my training would suffer. I think it's something that's easy to get wrong. Is there actually a solid evidence that you can get your body used to burning more fat by running on empty? I'm not saying there isn't but would be interested to read up on it in more detail. To be honest I just don't like being hungry. Running 20m is hard as it is, I don't fancy starving myself to make it even harder.
13m done before work and I'm on my second breakfast. So much for underfuelling!
My foot is a bit buggered. I think I bruised the ball of my left foot by running more in my trail shoes recently which don't have much cushioning. It's not excruciating but slightly annoying and doesn't want to go away. Hopefully TM running will mean a bit less impact and it sorts itself out.
O4S- congrats on the 1st place!!!
Carrot- xpost. Sounds like a plan.
Carrot: I could have got them on the day [the other lady fessed up as soon as she realised what had happened] but I was en route to Ireland straight after the run. The results on the website were done by some computer geek who didn't bother to change the category.
Re fuelling on any run - I only ever have one slice of toast before a run of any length and no gels en route. Only drink water in a race, not on training runs, because I can't be bothered to carry it round. When I was doing my PBs gels didn't exist and I can't remember any races having energy drinks - or in fact anyone carrying one round. Since my PBs [admittedly 20 odd years ago] are comparable to many on this thread I can't believe it makes that much difference except as a mental crutch.
Alternatively I could have been Paula Radcliffe.................
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There's been a bit of talk on the Asics threads and others about fuelling, or rather not fuelling for long runs. I'm a great believer of you only get out what you put in and when marathon training make sure I get either a recovery drink or milk and food down my neck as soon as I finish a harder session. There's all kind of talk going on about running in the evening after not eating since breakfast and not eating for 2 hours after runs the then only proteins. Can anyone elaborate on this? I'd be worried that my muscles weren't getting what they need to recover.
Not fuelling after runs sounds like a very silly concept to me - wouldn't recommend it. In fact, I'm doing my best this campaign to improve on post run fuelling because I'm crap at it. I have a new found love for banana shakes - 1 banana, bit of milk, bit of vanilla yoghurt, bit of vanilla sugar - into the blender and YUM. Takes about 2 mins to put it together and it's all natural . Don't much like the chemical recovery drinks that are on the market.
BarryB: those were great 2mile reps. Well done!Simon: interesting about the wet bezel thing. It never bothered me - I have one training screen that shows me the data I want to see. I can understand how it would drive people nuts though if they relied on the different screens.O4S: sorry to hear you are having a hard time at the mo. Well done on being "upgraded" to 1st V55 1st Jantastic run logged for me . Fell off the wagon last night But after an 11 hour workday all I was craving was a pizza and a bit of red.
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