Minni v Dubai Dave
Enjoy your run, Freemers I managed to pull something in my quad last night Got out of the car and must have done a weird movement - suddenly I felt a sharp pain that made me cry out loud (well, I swore actually - the cry was "f**k!"). It was very sore all evening but I put Voltarol and ice on it and kept massaging the area. It feels fine while I walk but climbing upstairs hurts (downstairs is fine) and getting up from a seated position really hurts. No idea what I did FRC: nice article - they even mention Hamburg in it
Chick - ouch! Hopefully just a pull and ice will do the trick. To take your mind of it I suggest you listen to Marathon Talk - the podium will interest you this week
Sorry to hear you've pulled your quad Chick, hope it's not too serious.
Interesting to read about the mileage debate. I'm pretty sure I need to change something, as I keep getting injured. I was thinking about changing brand of trainers to see if that helps, but also I've got a mate who runs a Regiment Fitness class at the end of my road each Saturday morning. Really not my bag, but thinking that maybe working more muscle groups might be the way forward?
I'll try to dig my mileage out too, but I think it will look very similar to yours Barry, although with barely any cross-training!
If you get a chance to dig out that article FRC, I'd love to read it
Achilles definitely on the mend, but still very apprehensive about first steps of my run tomorrow. Will head to the park next to home just in case I break down.
Morning all-cant believe its nearly a week since you all did VLM and Hamburg
Minni-yes I got an email receipt. If you werent sweating you werent trying As Red says working on the core and other muscles is needed to help deal with injury risk so thats back on my agenda now but cant say kettles are
KFC-Ive worked up over the years40-45-5-55-60-65-nearly 70 and get injured every 2 years as Ive gone along so that says Im doing something wrong. Im looking at reintroducing cross training for a more balanced approach.The problem is Im not into long bike rides and swims are just a necessary evil
Carrot-4miles in the sun?-bliss
FRC-poor Mrs FRC-dont put her off running as it will be a lot tougher for you if you do.Good to see you coaching her too.Mine wouldnt take any notice.If the email alert was working our in boxes would be overloaded
Chick-ouch-it should be nothing although it is a warning to all that recovery from Sunday will take time
Red-good to see your Achilles is on the mend-Im thinking mine is too though I still have the morning stiffness in the heel and am aware of tingling in the area from time to time. Im really holding back from running as long as my sanity will let me but its tough. Its still early days really-14 days- so I dont want to tempt fate. I did a military fitness training regime when I was training for Berlin and it seemed to set of my knee tendonitis. Tendon troubles are a reoccuring issue with me. Changing trainers is on the list too as I wonder if using the same ones all the time causes the impact of running to be directed to the same points in the legs without respite. When I returned to running after my previous achilles problem I used two pairs which I alternated and one pair-Brooks Adrenaline-had more stability than the other -Asics.
Mnagaged 32k spinning watching the build up to and the first half of the Chelsea game last night.
Family birthday celebrations this weekend in the land of my fathers so no training but may swim before I go.
KFC/ 2Old- I probably averaged just under 60mpw in this campaign. I always managed to do relatively high mileage and not get injured. I think what got me this time was that I didn't give myself enought time to pick up speed with VLM following San Seb so closely. Not making the same mistake again!
I found out today by the way that my Berlin entry is non refunable/ transfarable or deferrable. Any takers?
Carrot- nice run last night. I'm so so tempted... but resisting at the moment.
Chick- ouch, hope it's nothing serious!
FRC- well done to Mrs FRC.
I've got most of my races planned for the next few months. Lots and lots of 10k suffering on the horizon...
10k suffering doesn't sound good, Bro ... How annoying about Berlin!Freemers: haven't got through to the podium yet - they were still going on about the women's race when I listened to it this morning. I thought I'd missed the cut-off again for my submission but by the sound of it I may have made it and got my 2 secs of fame
Freemers - I almost took myself out with the kettle!! nuff said.
Loving the new formatting on iPhone.
Chick - I think the rest of us missed the cut off or (like me) forgot completely
Trendy 5 d&d in the sunshine....calves feeling a little tight but all fine apart from that.
Whoop whoop Chick on the podium.
Chick - congrats on your 2 seconds !!!
Team Minni Reference Library with links to all the others sheets.
Get updating folks.
Minni . Kettle bells are excellent, they're in my weekly circuits for last 14-16 months. but you do have to careful. Mrs FRC got bursitis in elbow banging one on against the arm, swelling up, and was out for 2-3 weeks.
Chic whilst you're on the podium. Injury update please! What went?
Reders, the Military fitness type circuits in the park are good, but depends what equipment they use. If its meant to be a recovery session between running days, some do lots of sprinting, shuttle runs. Worth asking. Less impact the better works really well for me. Otherwise look for a gym based one, less space = less running. Cross Fit style one maybe.
Brol - so we could run Berlin as you then?
Supposedly a VLM announcement this afternoon about 2014 times required. Likely changes to more like NYC or Boston levels?
FRC- providing you run a decent time, yes!
Chick- congrats on the podium!
Chick - Sorry to hear about the quad. It might have happened because the steering wheel's on the wrong side??? Congrats on the MT podium.
FRC - Why is it always our fault when the OH inputs the wrong details in the sat. nav?
Finally have (a little bit of) good news... I can bend the knee today as the swelling finally seems to be going down. I've been smothering it with Nurofen gel, but it's a strange sensation, as i can't feel anything from the knee down! Glad i was paying attention when applying it, one slip and... No, it doesn't bear thinking about!!!
On the mileage vs quality subject, i had a good conversation with a physio who runs sub 2.30 marathons on only 40 - 50 miles p.w, and he thinks that there are many schedules that incorporate too many "junk miles"?
I did (some enforced) more gym and core work this time than i ever have before, but really feel that i needed another couple of 20+ lsr's pre-VLM, as yet again it was the endurance side that let me down. However, it's always a balancing act for me as it doesn't take much for me to get injured.
So this Summer i am going to make a concerted effort to strengthen and sort out my quad muscle imbalance (VMO is nowhere near as strong as it should be due to initial knee dislocation 28 years ago), and get some speed back for the shorter races.
Best laid plans and all that...
Thanks actually, you fast lot should be on there, like Minni, AA, carrot, Freemers ... not me!
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Chic whilst you're on the podium. Injury update please! What went?
FRC: I think it's the middle bit of my vastus medialis (is that the one that runs to the inside of the knee??). Thing is, I can't feel it when I walk (or run ... tentatively jogged around the corridors at work for a bit). But I can't get up from my chair or out of my car (and especially can't get up from the loo) without wincing with pain. Completely weird thing. Will keep RICEing and hope it's short lived. Stupid injuries .
Chick - Congrats on the podium, got to be in it to win it. Hope injury is not too serious, I think we are probably all a bit fragile after last weekend.
Oompa - Good news on your injury, I'm currently mulling over my Berlin prep but need to get calf sorted.
2old - I see new physio next Wednesday. Interesting about trainers I have used the same Asics, since starting running " seriously" 5 years ago, in models from 1130 to 1170's. I had a similar calf issue a couple of years ago and got my gait checked again and they said current shoes were OK. But something must be causing repetitive issues.
Brol - Shame about Berlin, not sure if you saw my post but I suggested running Berlin on a reduced mileage week whilst concentrating on some quicker stuff. I know you like your big mileage but you can still keep your endurance off 40/50 mile weeks.
Cooks - Good luck for Manchester.
Oompa - that better news on your knee. i hope the improvement continues
FRC - excellent race. I don't know how you did it so soon after Sunday, but well done
O4S - fantastic news on your hand. I hope your friend enjoys running Belfast on Monday week. It's a tough marathon! I will be out supporting.
Chickadee- hope it's nothing too serious
Spoons - I hope you enjoyed Public Enemy. I saw them in Manchester during my student days. I think it was 1988!
I have finally caught up with reading all the posts. I have found all the race reports from Sunday very inspiring. After my run on Sunday I was considering giving up on the marathon and sticking to half marathons instead, but reading everyones reports has made me realise that there is no distance quite like the marathon. It's hard (at least for me) to get it right, and I think that is what makes the marathon such a special distance. I have really enjoyed reading all the reports and have now decided to take on another marathon in the autumn. I was originally considering Florence but my current thinking is Dublin quite simply because it wont involve too much travel.
Interesting reading on people's different approaches to the marathon. My best marathons have always come off the back of lower mileage (45 to 50m per week)but more quality. This year I decided to push the mileage to 55m to 60m per week and unfortunately ended up with a slight injury 3 weeks before the marathon and feeling very jaded on the day. For my autumn marathon I will reduce the mileage back to 50m per week and try to add in more marathon paced miles. I also think 16 weeks is too long for me and will try a 12 week build up instead.
For the next few months I plan to improve my basic speed with a combination of Tuesday track session, Thursday tempo intervals and a weekly parkrun. I haven't run since Sunday but may do a parkrun tomorrow.
Good luck all.
Chick - Sorry to hear about the injury. Hope it will be short lived as it is non running related and congratulations.
Minni- Kettle bells sound lethal! Might avoid them but definitely need to start doing some core strengthening
Oompa - Good news on the knee front
Someone asked me about Mablethorpe marathon? I've run it twice and really enjoyed it as it is a lovely family friendly event. It has gone to a 2 lap marathon now which I'm not entirely sure about but I'll give it my best shot.
10 miles off road and undulating today and Fleetwood Half entered as I got paid today.
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