Carterusm with Spoons
So I had a great track session last night on an OUTDOOR track at the John Charles sports centre as it didn't have an indoor one. They did have indoor bowls, so I must of imagined that indoor track up. ha ha.
Sean - are you sure you didn't run around the bowling green rather than the track, some cracking splits there. I'm not too keen on the pole dancing though !! Is Munich business or pleasure ?
Stuart - so far, I have done 6 runs over 18 miles with 3 at 20 and 1 at 21 miles. I had been doing a fair bit prior to starting my training for Manchester so was quite comfortable getting to 18 miles at week 3 of my plan (which I deliberately made a 20 week plan as well). I think you are fine getting there at your stage of the plan but be aware of not overdoing it, as you say. I would always give 2 weeks between doing 20 milers just to give myself a decent recovery period. I have got a 21 planned for this Saturday (Grindleford Gallop fell/trail race) and the following Saturday I've got a 18 mile run which is part of the Dukeries ultra route around Clumber Park. The one thing I would add is that in the last couple of weeks I've been feeling a bit lethargic on all my runs. I've had the man flu so this may account for it and hopefully I haven't done too much in previous weeks, which I don't think I have.
Off for a gentle 6 miles down by the canal and river at lunch. 31 days to Manchester !
Carl – that’s a nice fartlek session. How are you feeling at the moment as I know you were looking at changing your plan to possible reduce miles/sessions each week ?
Nell – I guess there are some young pups who play football who can be a bit keen going into a tackle. And you obviously have to be careful of injuries at your age How did the hill reps session go ?
Ali – we have had to have a dog behaviorist in for our mutt. He was getting very aggressive and destructive and the more we shouted at him the worse he got. Apparently we were doing it all wrong and we should be ignoring him as he was just constantly seeking attention. He got through plenty of Mrs C’s cushions and she was not happy ! He is a lot better now and I try and take him on my easy run on Sundays. I’m looking forward to slowly increasing the distance he runs with me over the summer. As you can imagine with a springer, he really loves it out and about in his natural habitat of moorland, woods, fells, trails etc. I’m also thinking of taking him to some dog agility classes, which should be interesting !
Hi Carter, thanks for the good advice, to be honest it been a pretty poor week for me running wise, so im going to chalk it up to experience and start refreshed next week. Will do a shorter LSR on Sunday. Hope you canal run was good.
cartersum. Pleasure all the way, except it wont be pleasure as im going to see Arsenal get thrashed by Bayern Munich.
I used to be an 800m runner back in the day for Barnet Copthall and my PB was 2.27, so I quite like the distance. However where these yasso 800's fall down is that they dont reconsile that im about 1stone over my fighting weight so at around 15-16 miles fatigue sets in quite badly for me, and I slow down drastically. On my last marathon at York I was at nearly 11 min miles by mile 26!!!!!
Sean - 1 stone over your fighting weight ? I wish, I'm more like 2 stone over. My plan this year was to try and shed that but I'm finding that I've not lost anything. I seem to be eating more, albeit most of the time my diet has improved and I guess some of my fat is turning to muscle. Hey ho, too late to do much about it now, I will just have to haul my fat carcass around as it is. I'm afraid I have to agree about Arsenal, if you don't turn up on the day it could be a cricket score.
Stuart - sounds like a good plan.
I ended up going down the Trent Valley Way at lunch time which runs next to the river Trent. It was a new route for me and really nice. I decided to run it at MP (8:30) and ended up running 6 miles @ 8:35. While it was a lot better and easier than the last couple of weeks the last couple of miles were harder than it should have been. Still, heading in the right direction and still plenty of time to go
I saw Carter pop up on another thread I am an avid lurker/poster on (the Team GB one - it's pure class!) and realised I hadn't been on here and then noticed it wasn't in my "Followed Threads". Not sure why, although I have noticed my "Followed Threads" do go missing on occasion.
Anyway, I'm still getting out there and got another sub-1:40 Half on Sunday, so I'm pleased with that. I have a 20-mile race in a couple of weeks so that could be interesting to see what happens, and I have half an eye on a marathon in May. I need to up my long runs as I've done nothing over 16 miles in the last few weeks, which is an issue!
Also, I now have an "official" role in my club as I'm "Press and Publicity officer" which basically means writing weekly reports for the club website and two local papers.
I hope everyone is doing well - I know the marathons are fast approaching and it's an exciting time! I'll make sure this gets added to my "Followed Threads" and I'll try and start posting again
Alright fellow runners and wise people, I’m in need of some peer advice.
No running done for 11 days due to injury/illness – I’ve missed 8 sessions, a grand total of 63 miles, and the equivalent of nine and a half hours on my feet.
But I’m back in the land of the living so, do I:
- Jump straight back into the programme at the next scheduled session tomorrow (a 7m progression run in approx. 60 mins; or
- Something a bit more on the ‘easy’ side of things
- In advance of a scheduled HM on Sunday which I had targeted for a PB
As always and feedback most welcome.
BK I would say do the 7m, but at a steady pace. Then back on the programme. missed miles wont matter at this stage as we are all highly tuned athletes now.
Carterusm: yeah exactly my problem. The amount of running I do I should weigh 10st, however I must admit my diet is generally crap and I like beer, like a lot. So as it stands when I started running I weighed 15st, abliet this has dropped to 14st last year, but now I dont put any weight on, but I don't lose it either. i.e. ive plataued at 14st. After Munich im having a detox month up to London, so hoping to get this down to 13 for london . fingers crossed.
Sean - if you're anything like me your willpower is rubbish. I've said from march I will not have a beer til Manchester. Off to the pub with the missus shortly....
Canter - as Sean says do the 7 at an easy pace. If the half on Sunday is an A race then go for a PB, if the marathon is then I would make Sundays run a training run, maybe at marathon pace but certainly no quicker. My problem previously has been missing sessions then trying to catch up but I just end up aggravating my knee.
Big_G - or do we have to call you sir now ?? Does this mean you are going to check our spelling and grammar for mistakes ? Another sub 1:40, very well done. How are the trails and general running conditions down there now ?
Carter - no need to call me Sir I am pleased I've got the role though. I wanted to get more involved in the club and I knew the previous post holder was standing down so I put my name forward and I was voted in at the recent AGM. I do run a couple of blogs so it was right up my street really.
The weather has been okay recently actually and I was really lucky on my recent halfs as the conditions were good for both. I had a 2 or 3 races in January/February ruined by the wind (in terms of posting a good time), so I was lucky as the halfs were my "A-races".
Evening all. A lot going on today and Big G nice to see you back.
I had wondered where you had wandered off to. Another sub 1:40 for a HM. You see to be in cracking form so I see no problem with you not having done much above 16miles. You will just knock out another great time whether it is 20 miles or the marathon itself.
Sean - great 800 reps there. In fact super 800 reps. If you push yourself really hard you might sneak in at just under the 3 hr mark in the marathon .... lol .... I agree. I do not think the Yasso 800 theory is up to much.
Interesting that we are all struggling on the losing weight front. I wanted to lose half a stone or so to get to my ideal running weight. But I have not shifted a thing. If anything I have gained a pound or two. Really annoying. All this running and no benefit !!!!
Stuart - I only have 5 runs of 18 miles and over in my 15 week plan. 1 x 18m, 3x 20 m amd 1 x 22m. I did my 18mile run 9 weeks out if that helps for a comparison.
Canter - as the others say. Do not go out on a speed session. Ease yourself back in with an easy run. I would treat the HM on Sunday as a fast training run not a race and get back into the training plan next week. You cannot make up the mileage and do not even try. If you do you will get injured. Pretty much fact. You have been doing some cracking training so you will be fine. You will have lost a little bit and may need to adjust your MP a little but you can guage this closer to race day.
Carter - nice run from you today and I have to admit you seem to be managing your running very well at the moment. Take it easy on Sunday as you do not want to over exert yourself off road and risk undoing all the good work.
I enjoyed the fartlek session on Tuesday and followed last nights comfortable run tonight with a progressive 7 miler on the running track. 28 laps of teh track. Floodlights were on and they went off when I was on lap 27. The plan was to start at just over 9 min mile, and kncok 15 secs off each time with the last 2 laps sub 8 mins.
I have to admit this was a much harder session than it seems it should be. I struggled to keep the first 2 - 3 miles slow. But then as I moved from mile 4 to mile 5 where I was moving up to 8min miles it was a harder transition than I thought it should be.
Stats as follows :
9:02 ; 8:41 ; 8:24 ; 8:12 ; 7:57 ; 7:38 ; 7:09
I did however enjoy really going for it on the last mile and this was done at a fairly constant pace. If anything I got faster as the mile went on.
8:09 min/mile average.
So Carter, you asked how it is going. Overall it is going well. I set my plan up with 5 sessions per week but do not always do 5. I usually have a 3 - 5 mile session in either before or after the LSR at the weekend. I am just conscious of how much time during the week I dissapear when I come home from work so if the short run fits in at the weekend I do it and if it does not I do not stress about it. And in reality I am not sure how beneficial this run would be. I would need to race it in a parkrun for it to be of help but they just do not work with me being a taxi at that time on a Saturday morning.
In any case will run approx 580 - 600 miles training for the marathon this year.
For my first in 2011 I ran 380 miles.
In 2012 I managed just over 500 miles.
In 2013 I only managed 450 miles.
So if I can stay injury free I will have put in alot more miles this year. I also think the speed sessions during the week are of a higher quality than before. The question is will it translate into a better marathon time.
I am also much busier at work this year and what I need to make sure I get over the next 5 weeks is enough rest so that I really am refreshed when it comes to race day.
I have 2 really tough weeks ahead o
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