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29/01/2013 at 22:35

Here's a question, whilst on the subject of colds, does anyone take a vitamin supplement during the additional workload of marathon training? .. or do you just rely on a healthy diet?

I remember taking them before all those years ago when I last trained for marathon distance  -  but haven't been taking any this time round & I am on my 2nd cold since I started Mara training after Xmas!

29/01/2013 at 22:40
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Edited: 29/01/2013 at 22:40
29/01/2013 at 22:51

Minni - ?

re: colds - I always think run if it's just a runny nose or a light cough but if it's a chesty cough or you have a temperature then don't.

carter - great session there. It's difficult to run a mile @ MP at the end. You always go off to quick. But that's one of the reasons for doing it. To train your body into running at that pace however good or bad you feel.

ricky - hopefully just the manflu. I eat loads of fruit and veg and take a multivitamin and yacult everyday. The first sign of a cold and I start taking vitamin C 1000mg as well. No idea if it helps or if I'm throwing money away.....

29/01/2013 at 23:29

Carter - great tempo run tonight. Funny how we are all feeling a little sluggish this week.

Ricky - good session considering the manflu.

29/01/2013 at 23:38

I got very annoyed with my sportswatch tonight.

I always plug it into the computer before I set out to make sure it picks up the GPS. Thieans that it connects very quickly when I go out the front door.

Well tonight it went into meltdown and decided that it was the first time I had conected the watch to the computer and wanted me to reload the software. 15 mintues later with me fit to kill something I eventually got it to register on my computer.

Out the front door. Press the button to connect with the GPS and NOTHING. After a few minutes I decided to start without it and was trying to work out how I would know my time for the tempo session when it magically connected. I had covered about 1/3 mile by now. For the next half mile or so I was convinced that it was not recording my pace correct as it was telling me that I was slower than it felt.

When I came back in I had simlar problems trying to upload my run.

So I have decided that my Nike+ sportswatch is unreliable and it has to go.

I am now investing in a Garmin.

RANT  over

30/01/2013 at 00:15

Spoons - think I'll visit the health shop tomorrow to purchase some multivitamins.

Carl - I have the old faithful Garmin Forerunner 305 .... a lttle bulky but it has never let me down, messed about or failed to cooperate - not once. I just set it outside about 2 mins before I leave and it has found the satellite and is ready go by the time I'm heading off. Nice big screen on it too which is easy to read on the run and can display 4 pieces of data of your choice at one time... u can additionally scroll through 3 screens on the move also from memory so can potentially then access 12 pieces of data (I think - I just tend to leave on the 1st screen where I have total time, HR, current pace in m/mls & current time for latest mile displayed.)

30/01/2013 at 00:27

I have been putting off investing in a Garmin for a few eeeks but as this is not the first time I have ahd problems in recent months and the training is getting a little serious I need to take the plunge.

Thanks for the info on your trusty garmin. I will have a look at what deals are out there before the sales end.

30/01/2013 at 00:43

Anyway my run tonight.

It was windy. No not just windy, VERY windy. It was blowing hard and when I went over the top of Primrose Hill before descending down to Regents Park I was struggling to stay upright.

Running around Regents Park was tough. For the first mile or so into my speed part of the session, I was running straight into the wind and driving rain. Then it was a swirling blustery wind. Then it died down. And the last half a mile or so was straight back into it again.

It made breathing tough and at times I thought I was not moving.

But somehow I pulled a performance out of the bag.

I ran the first 1.75 miles at 9:24mm pace.

The next 3.7 miles in 27 minutes, 7:17 mm pace

And closed out with 2.15miles at 9:08mm pace,

This was harder than I thought it would be put really pleased that despite not feeling great before I set out that I got a decent speed session in. Next week I am going to try and get 1m at the end at MP just to start getting a feel for what it is like.

Edited: 30/01/2013 at 00:43
30/01/2013 at 05:36
Good running boys. Running at pace in that wind was really hard going but some decent times recorded.

Spoons - for my midweek medium run (8-12 miles) is it ok to split these over 2 runs eg 5 at lunch time 5 after work ? I'm finding it difficult to fit thie full length of run in at the moment so wondered if it would work by splitting it into two runs ?
30/01/2013 at 12:02

I also have a 305. Had it for a few years now and never had any complaints.

Good work Carl

Carter - with splitting runs, it's better than not doing it and not as good as doing it in one go. So 6 + 6 is better than just 6 and not as good as 12. Make sense?

Maybe do the MLR every other week?

You can also add miles to the warmup of another run to get a MLR in. e.g. if you are doing 4 miles of intervals with 1 mile warmup and 1 mile cooldown, you could do a 4 mile warmup, 4 miles of intervals and a 2 mile cooldown to make a 10 mile MLR.

30/01/2013 at 12:26

Carter - I'm having the same problem with my mid week MLR.  I'm doing a 3 week cycle: 

week 1: 12m at 4:45am
week 2: 12m at 5pm
week 3: 6m am/6m pm

Its not easy fitting it all in but its only for a short time in the big scheme of things. 

30/01/2013 at 13:28

Minni/Spoons - Thanks for the coments. Like most people, there is family life to work around so to make sure I can spend enough time with the missus my MLR needs to be first thing on Wednesday morning, so it also ties in with my other running sessions. If I'm honest I just dont like getting up early in the week to go for a run, I dont mind doing my LSR on Saturdays early in the morning but not during the week. On a normal working day I am up at 5:00, travelling for 1:30 to get to work so doing a run before that doesnt really appeal. Other people do it so I think I will just have to get my arse into gear and get on with it !

30/01/2013 at 13:31

6 miles at lunchtime @ 8:52. The splits are:

Mile 1 - 8:38

Mile 2 - 8:42

Mile 3 - 8:49

Mile 4 - 9:14

Mile 5 - 9:11

Mile 6 - 9:22

It was a straight out and back run and, as the times indicate, the wind was with me on the way out but it was a strong headwind on the way back.

Spoons - considering the split times, this run didnt feel hard at all. If I was running with someone I could have easily held a conversation. I ran on effort rather than the watch and this was the result. 

30/01/2013 at 16:19

Carter - that's perfect then  - your endurance base is building nicely. Keep at it and that easy pace will get quicker at the same effort level.

30/01/2013 at 16:55

Lots going on over here!! Good stuff!! 

30/01/2013 at 17:35
How's your running going Spoons ? Did I see somewhere you have glute issues ?
30/01/2013 at 21:22

Not very good I'm afraid. I'm riddled with issues 

30/01/2013 at 21:59

Carter you are building very nicely  - it's a great feeling being surprised at your splits for what feels a very easy pace! Progress!

My cold has gone from bad to worse and I felt rotten today & a little chesty. Day from hell at work and late home and was close to binning to nights scheduled session.

Went out anyway with a mind to do the planned hill session at a lower intensity to see how I felt. Felt ok so pushed on as normal just not running each rep as "all out" as I usually would.
Strange thing is I suddenly felt much better on the last mile home (despite being clipped by an oncoming cars wing mirror) and still feel much better than I have done all day - so it appears the session actually did me the world of good!
Anyway - a few paracodal and off to bed and hopefully will feel more like myself tomorrow.

30/01/2013 at 23:21

Interesting discussion on these MLR's. Like you Carter I am not very good at getting up early to run 8 - 10 + miles before getting ready to go to work. I would need to get up at about 5am.

Tonight I was home late from work and had to spend a little time with the wee ones before going back out. Going for a run at 9.30pm seems almost equally ridiculuous as 5am.

So I might need to see if I can get it in during the day. Minni is right in that it is only a relatively short time but it is hard to get the balance right.

Once I get my watch to work I will provide details of my run.

Ricky - well done for getting out with you not feeling so well.

Carter - great session from you today. Good to hear you say that you are surprised how easy the level of effort was.

31/01/2013 at 01:15

Sportswatch was not cooperating with me very well tonight so I had to run blind. Funnily enough it did record all the data so I can share my stats.

My plan tonight was to run an 8 mile MLR and to do 2 miles at MP these being planned for mile 6 and 7. As I know thw route quite well I had a reasonable idea where I transitioned from mile 5 to mile 6.

The route gently rises through the first mile, rises steeply through mile 2, descends rapidly through mile 3, continues to descend (but more slowly) through miles 4 and 5 is flat through mile 6 and begins to rise from miles 7 until I get back home.

As I went out very late mentally I wanted to get back home so I guessed I was running quicker than I should have and my MP miles were relative to the pace I had been running.

Mile 1 - 8:40

Mille 2 - 9:05

Mile 3 - 8:04

Mile 4 - 8:45

Mile 5 - 8:29

Mile 6 (MP) - 8:17

Mile 7 (MP) - 8:19

Mile 8 - 8:48

Mile 9 (0.83m) - 7:25

Overall 8.83 miles at 8:36 min/mile avg.

What I am pleased about is that I ran the two MP miles at more or less the same pace even if a bit quicker than I should have.

What this also shows is that I do rely on my watch to get the pacing right so I am hoping that over the next few weeks I get to understand the feel of MP much better so that I can adjust up or down more easily.

What is good about this is that I was very comfortable running at this pace and had no difficulty adjusting to the quicker pace for the two MP miles.

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