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17/02/2013 at 17:26

Hi Carl

Thanks for the kind words. This week is a bit of a nightmare for me, to be honest, with half-term and I may struggle to go out for a long time. I was thinking about doing a recovery run tomorrow, perhaps 4 miles or so, then a longer faster run on Tuesday - say 7 miles, as I can't run on Weds (though if I can run first thing Weds morning I might do that run then); i might be able to get out for 40 mins or so on Thursday and then hopefully do 10 miles at the weekend; it needs to be an easy week if my foot is still sore. I have another HM lined up on the third, but again will probably take as a training run, though aim to do slightly faster, with a longer WU and CD. However, I'd appreciate any thoughts you have.



17/02/2013 at 18:04
Ta Carl - happy with that run as it came on the back of two heavy weeks - 97 miles total for last two weeks.

Hannah - that course sounds like it was a real toughie so well done! I ran 1.53 in my last HM in September past and it was billiard table flat smooth Tarmac! As Carl says great training run particularly as u got 16 miles done in total. Important thing is you got round safely with no ill effects/injuries. I would say play this week by ear and see how you feel after today's race ... A bit of an easier week might be sensible.
Edited: 17/02/2013 at 18:06
17/02/2013 at 18:29
Carter - ah isogels ... Yes that's correct I don't think they are water dependent and don't need mixed with water in the gut.
17/02/2013 at 19:28

Good evening all

Hannah - Congrats on your run, sounds like a good time in tough conditions. It's all miles in the legs and added experience isn't it? All good.

Ricky - That is a couple of serious weeks you have to be satisfied with that?

Today I was on my (alleged) LSR, 13 miles. I was hoping for 9:00 to 9:30 minute mile pace, after a couple of miles or two of going a touch too fast I started hitting 9:00 minutes fairly accurately. Is it common when trying to run a little slower that at first it's hard to get your running rhythm and breathing regulated? I felt very "choppy" running wise. 

Anyway I did 13.4 in 2:04:27 and the splits were quite even so although it didn't feel entirely natural and against my instincts I was quite pleased with my pacing.

Tomorrow is a 15 mile  2/10/3 run/cycle/run and a Pilates session. I gave up Boxing and Rugby and took up Pilates there's a sign of old age creeping up on me.

17/02/2013 at 20:19

Ricky - great run from you there well done.

Hannah - that's worrying re: the feet. Is this something new? Shoes OK?

17/02/2013 at 20:23

Carter - you've got 3 x 20 milers over the next 3 weekends. Priority number 1 is that you get these done. If that means you need to reduce volume or speed on other runs that's OK. 

17/02/2013 at 20:24

Carter - this has been a very frustrating week. I feel that I should have gone out to keep the legs loose but know that it would probably be detrimental at the same time. I have been finding it quite annoying and I suspect that the OH would prefer me to be out running as I would not moping about the house. Hopefully I can get back on where I got off and keep going.

Well done on your efforts this week. Once Spoons sorts out your LSR's you will be laughing. They are the most important run  of the week and it is funny how I am dissapointed with missing a 20 miler. Never thought I would hear myself say that.

17/02/2013 at 20:27

Carl - don't panic! You'll be fine. Just get back quick!

17/02/2013 at 20:40

Spoons - advice for this week please.

My plan before being lazy for  a week was as follows :

Tues - Tempo 45 mins at 7:30mm with wu and cd

Weds - MLR 10 miles with some miles at MP

Thurs - Intervals, this week I was going to to 1km reps with short rest in between each rep

Should I alter the schedue this week and include some miles at HM pace ? and if so what would you recommend.

If all goes well during the week I will go for it on Sunday. If I am sluggish then I will use Sunday as a training run (I guess).

A description of the course on the race website says the following :

This is a lovely course which takes in plenty of North Hertfordshire Countryside. Yes it is challenging with a few hills but it also has several relieving downhill sections. It is a varied course taking in gravel tracks, open fields ,muddy woodland and road running.

The first 4.5 miles go upwards including a stretch in open fields. There is an 800m section in woodland around mile 6. Some ups and downs until mile 10. Then a very steep climb for about 3/4 mile. The last 2 miles or so are downhill.

17/02/2013 at 20:43

I have to go and collect my running number on Saturday so I am going to try and drive as much of the course as possible so I have an idea what to expect. Really want to know where the steep climb is so that I am ready for it.

It is probably going to make running a consistent pace impossible.

17/02/2013 at 21:10

Hi Hannah - well done on your run today in what sounds like tricky conditions.

Oirish - I find I need to use my watch to get the correct pace I need but once I've got it I can then be reasonably consistent.

Carl - enjoy your week back on the roads.


17/02/2013 at 21:19

Tonights run was a hilly 8.4 miles @ 9:03. I felt really good so pushed it a bit, especially up the two steep hills.

Spoons - as I was running tonight I was thinking that I have struggled a bit with my long runs since starting the speedwork. The speedwork has gone very well so I was thinking that, for this week, I would try running all my runs at an easy pace. Here is my plan:

Tuesday - 6 miles @ MP

Wednesday - 8 miles @ 10:00mm

Thursday - 6 miles @ MP

Saturday - LSR 20 miles @ 10:00mm

Sunday - 10 miles @ 10:00mm

What do you think ?

17/02/2013 at 21:48

Carter - I'm hinking of changing my water & high5 energy gel strategy.... the main reason is that I'm worried I'm not taking enough electrolytes on which might be a problem if race day is warm.

This High5 4:1 looks good as a sports drink instead of water - did u go for the citrus or summer fruits flavour?  My only slight concern is that I would need to switch to the isogels which look quite bulky. How many of these do you intend to carry during the marathon? I was thinking 5 or 6 but am worried that there will be too much bulk to carry?

17/02/2013 at 21:49

Carter - I think that's a really good idea. Yes - do it!

Carl - I would suggest the same as what I have said previously on halfs in marathon training. Do Tuesday as planned. Do Wednesday as planned but slightly shorter, say, 8 with 3 @ MP. Thursday do 3 x 1km reps @ HMP plus warmup cooldown. Friday and Saturday either rest or short easy runs. Sunday - go for it!

17/02/2013 at 22:26
Spoons - nice one.

Ricky - I went for the citrus fruit but don't think I would have been able to identify them as citrus fruit unless I knew whst flavour they were beforehand !
18/02/2013 at 07:46

Morning all. A rest day for me today. Hope you all have a good one

18/02/2013 at 08:32

Morning everyone. Well done to all on some great weekend runs!!

An easy recovery run for me today, which should be good, assuming I can get my legs to work and the foot doesn't cause too much pain (have ordered a new pair of shoes and will try new lacing strategy, so hopefully that helps, so they'll be here later this week)

Carl - which HM are you doing. I've done a couple in that area of the world which were really lovely?



18/02/2013 at 08:57
Ricky W wrote (see)

. How many of these do you intend to carry during the marathon? I was thinking 5 or 6 but am worried that there will be too much bulk to carry?

Ricky - I've only had one run using gels but based on that I was thinking of taking my first gel at 7 miles (so it kicks in at 8-9) then every 4/5 miles after that. That would be a total of 4/5 gels but I will keep practising over the next few weeks to determine the final number. I also have to work out how to manage the 4in1; as you know you add this to water. When I dont have any water with me I find that I dont really want any (until right at the end fo my long run). However, when carrying water for the first time on Saturday I found I wanted more and ran out earlier than planned. So, i think I will take my 4in1 with me but only use that inbetween drink stations and take on extra water at them. Youre right about those gels being bulky but I dont really know what the answer is, a drinks belt/bum bag ? I'm used to carrying my gut around with me so a couple of extra gels wont make much difference to me !!

18/02/2013 at 09:00

I thought it would be useful to make a list of who is running which race. I've gone back a few pages to get the names of the recent contributors but I couldnt find which race everyone was running.  So, next time you post a comment add which you race you are running.

Pete - Manchester

Rachel - Manchester

Carl - Paris

Will - 

Ricky - 

Hannah - London

Oirish -

Spoons - ??

Dobster - London

Big_G - 

18/02/2013 at 10:00

Morning all.

I am doing the Halstead & Essex marathon on May 12th. Well I see that in terms of events I have drawn the short straw, no bright lights or big cities for me just Essex countryside which may sound like some bucolic idyll but as far as I can tell from my training in reality means hedgerows for 26 miles and the scent of manured fields clogging up your nose.

God I miss living in London and feasting on the fumes of the Finchley road.

I will be going to watch the VLM so it might be an opportunity to meet a few of you in person and cheer you on. 

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