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02/04/2013 at 21:47
Carl - very clever indeed was the physio. He explained a lot to me and it was really quite interesting. As you say, all I can do is the exercises ive been given and hope I respond well to the treatment.

How are you feeling now ? Excited, nervous ?
02/04/2013 at 22:01
How am I feeling.

Went to the running track tonight to do my 4 x 800m intervals at MP.

It was bitterly cold with a biting crosswind. 1 mile warm up at just under 9 min/ mile. Very comfortable.

Started the intervals and was running them at just under 8 min / mile pace with a 400m recovery at about 8:30 min / mile pace. Was finding these easy and Was feeling very comfortable going into the 4th interval.

Then disaster.

With no warning as I increased my pace on the first bend I felt a really sharp pain in my left hamstring. I pulled up immediately but I know it does not feel right and I think the damage is done.

So tonight I am not a happy bunny. I am not even going to do my list as it is highly unlikely that I can run 26.2 miles on Sunday.
02/04/2013 at 22:08

Carter - he sounds like he knows his stuff. At least you know what to do now. Stick with the exercises, stretching etc and see how it goes....

Carl - don't panic yet. See how you are tomorrow. It might be nowhere near as bad as you think....

02/04/2013 at 22:10
No way. What shit luck you are having mate
02/04/2013 at 22:25

I am trying to be very calm about this. I am trying not to panic. I am telling myself that it will be alright tomorrow. I can but hope.

Up until it happened I was really felling great.

Why now ? Why me ? Shit happens ....

02/04/2013 at 22:39

Jaysus if we didn't have bad luck on this thread sure we'd have no luck at all.

Carter - At least you have it diagnosed and the corrective measurese to sort it, sounds like you have moret han a fighting chance.

Carl - See what tomorrow brings, it may be something of nothing.

02/04/2013 at 22:46

I have not told my OH.

I am desperately hoping that I will wake up tomorrow and realise it was all a bad dream.


02/04/2013 at 22:58

Jeez Carl - sh1t one. rollercoaster of emotions for you tonight, I guess you were surprised at how good you felt as the session progressed and full of renewed optimism for Sunday, then bang like a sniper shot in the hamstring your hopes were at an all time low. Gutted for you mate. As Spoons says all you - can do is see how it feels tomorrow - fingers crossed.

Carter - not fantastic news either certainly in terms of Manchester, you seem to be taking the 50/50 verdict very calmly. However good news that you seem to have a physio on the job that knows their onions and can get you sorted! As I always say - there are plenty more marathons but only one of you.

If it is any consolation I had my worst session ever tonight. Tempo Tuesday on the treadmill was supposed to be 1 mile w/up followed by 5 miles at 7.40ish pace. Had to back the thing off to a walk at 4.1miles as I though I was going to heave ... walked for a few mins and started running again @ 8.45 pace until 5.5 miles and had to back off to a walk again as I was feeling very green again... jogged the last quarter of a mile or so to get the session done.
Note to self - a pub dinner of Gourmet Mexican Burger with fries plus whatever the kids didn't finish an hour previous to the run isn't the best fuel for a speed session

03/04/2013 at 05:36
Carl - as the boys said, lets hope it's just something minor and today you're feeling good. Don't put your passport away just yet.

Ricky - maybe you need to review you pre-run fuelling strategy I don't suppose there is much point getting worked up about such things, there is more important things in life blah blah......obviously I would be extremely disappointed not to get to Manchester but there will be another marathon coming along shortly after. But I have been pleasantly surprised on more than one occasion since joining this thread so you just never know
03/04/2013 at 08:05
Think I am going to try and get in to see my physio today.

It feels a little better this morning. I can walk normally, I can stretch it and have massaged it loads, can stand on one leg. It is still tight.

Can I run on it ? No idea but I am going to have to find out before Paris as that is along way to go for nothing.
03/04/2013 at 10:12

Sounds promising. Fingers crossed....

03/04/2013 at 11:25

Cannot get in to see my physio until 6pm tomorrow night so I will have to run with that.

As I walked to work I felt  it more , particularly  on the bigger strides.

Very frustrating ....

Edited: 03/04/2013 at 11:32
03/04/2013 at 21:38

I pretended today that life was carrying on as nornal and went to the running shop at lunchtime and Boots.

Stocked up on my gels for Sunday, drink bottle thingy, new running socks, anti chaf stuff, muscle cream etc.

On my way home, I decided that waiting to see the physio tomorrow night to find out if I could run on Sunday was a bit like a cop out. Not fair asking him if I can run really ...

I am still going to see him because I need him to do his magic, but I just wanted to know ..

So applied loads of deep heat, my compression shorts and off out into the cold I went.

Decided that I would do this on the running track as this would reduce any impact.

Over the fence.

Loads of stretching ...

I set off on mile 1. It was tough at the start but eventually I found some sort of rhythm. I was very aware that the leg was tight and I could feel it every time my foot landed.

It was very cold with a ridiculous crosswind on the back straight.

Completed Mile 1 in 8:56.

Carried on into Mile 2. During this mile I began to think that maybe with some physio and strapping I might be able to get round. Am I mad ?

Completed mile 2 in 8:48.

Mile 3 was easier. I began to stop thinking about my leg and concentrate on running. My mind was in overdrive. I am running but have clearly done something to my hammy. Should I just call this a day now. What if it really goes during the marathon.

Completed mile 3 in 8:29.

Overall 3.3 miles at 8:49 pace.

A decent run in the circumstances.

I have been back in the house for over an hour now. Leg is feeling ok. It is still tight but in a funny way it feels better for doing some running.

Is this normal ? What have I done ? Is it possible to run 26.2 miles with this ? or should I just call it a day and recover fully and run another day as there will be other marathons ?

My physio will get me to the start line if I really want him to. He is really good. Ultimately it is down to me to make the decision.

I do not know what to think anymore.

03/04/2013 at 21:52

Leaves it very late for you to make a call on travelling or not Carl

How are you feeling about the possibility Paris isn't gonna happen this time?

More like myself tonight - did my 10 mile MLR in lovely spring sunshine @ MP. Averaged 8.32 pace for the run:

9.03 (w/up); 8.39; 8.34; 8.28; 8.29; 8.23; 8.29; 8.40; 8.21; 8.17

Felt a nice comfy pace and HR was nice and low @ 147bpm but my right knee started to get a little sore in the mid section but then improved in the last 3 or 4 miles.

Starting to get a little concerned - think it is runners knee. Would describe it as feeling a bit stiff and the outside of the kneecap is slightly tender to the touch/press ... Carter - do these sound like similar symptoms to yours? 
I will need to try and manage this niggle as best as I can during the next 10 days of training which see my mileage peak (including two 22mile LSRs) before taper. I am wondering should I take a extra rest day or two at the expense of a couple of speed sessions to ensure I get the LSRs done?

03/04/2013 at 21:58

Typing at the same time as you Carl!

Well that run sounds encouraging - sounds like maybe a bit of strain on the hammy last night maybe rather than a full blown pulled hamstring? Maybe a combination of the physios magic and an easy run or two will help you run through it?

03/04/2013 at 22:04

Ricky - that was what I was thinking. And why I went out tonight. Tomorrow night was just too late. Still need his magic hands to do some magic. But as you say if I had pulled the hammy properly I doubt I could have run 3 miles.

So if it is just a strain, do I run again ? it sortof feels better tonight after running. Maybe I will need to see what it feels like in the morning, do the physio and go for a short run early Friday.

Spoons - what do you think ?

03/04/2013 at 22:15

Sounds very promising Carl. Get down the physio tomorrow, get him to strap you up and onto the start line. Ask him whether you can race or just jig round. Then start at race pace anyway aand see how it feels. If it feels wrong early on then reduce to a jog and enjoy the event. 

Ricky - not you as well get a massage, foam roll it, stretch it and have an easy day or two. 

03/04/2013 at 22:19

We need to put a health warning on this thread.

Spoons started it.

Carter and I have followed.

Ricky is thinking about it.

Oirsih - what about you. Want to join the party ?

03/04/2013 at 22:49
Carl - my physio told me that some massaging, ultrasound, plenty of stretches and some of that tape stuff type thingy and I could get to the start line. He said that tape works as a temporary measure, something to do with blood flow. Obviously though, running a marathon could make the recovery time longer. I guess that's the decision we need to make.

Ricky - those symptoms do sound like some of mine. Like Spoons says, have a couple of easy days or maybe no running til the weekend. One good knee strengthening exercise is to do a one legged squat (the leg with the bad knee of course) on the stairs with the back of your foot over the edge of the stairs.

Plenty of stretching and exercises for me today. I even found out that our office block has soon stairs, they are to the left of the lift. I stopped on each flight of stairs and did some leg squats. Same at lunchtime too. I also took to the foam roller tonight for the first time in ages. While it was still sore rolling both ITBs the pain wasn't anywhere near as bad as this time last week. Early days of course but maybe the physio plus these stretches might just be loosening the old legs up. A couple more days like this and I plan to run again Saturday morning. I checked my training plan and from doing 50ish miles a week I have managed 11 miles in the 3 weeks or so since my last half.
03/04/2013 at 22:50
Carl - at this rate Spoons will have us planking too !!
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