Carterusm with Spoons
Hi Ricky - Yes it is not a bad course a nice one to ease me in. Just hope we don't have a heat wave again this year, there was people collapsing all over the place last year.
Hi Carl - I am kinda enjoying the long runs, does that sound a bit perverse??
Hi Dobster - What was the temperature like for the VLM?
Ricky - it's natural to be worried towards the end of the taper but it does work. You need to be ready to go, full of energy and have recovered from all fatigue before you start.
Carl - mental fatigue can really affect running. Even if you're not physically tired from running or similar, being mentally tired, from lack of sleep, stress, a long car drive, a challenging meeting at work, whatever, this can affect your physical performance.
Spoons - I see you had a good run yesterday that included some speedwork. You must be chuffed to be back !
Re the Robin Hood marathon, for some reason they havent announced the full route yet. I emailed the organisers yesterdayand all they said was that details would be announced 'some time in the summer'. Have you come across this before ? I'm slightly worried that if I enter then it might not actually go ahead and I will have missed the chance to enter another marathon. Or am I just worrying unecessarily ?
Nell - It was very sunny, most peopel would probably say it was perfect running weather but for a pasty 'strawberry blonde' like me it was a little too hot. I got pretty burnt on my shoulders! But luckily I wore a cap (which I never normally wear) so it protected my head.
Ricky - This is the first time I have done a proper taper. In the ;ast week I felt slugggish and tired and was really worrying about race day but on race day I felt great, it really does work and you have to have faith in the plan!
Oirish - When you say double up your long runs, do you mean 2 separate long runs or just double the distance?
Thanks for all your kind words
Hi Dobster - well done on your marathon time ! I too am considering getting into the world of ultra running. The training plan recommends you do back to back runs on consecutive days e.g. 30 miles on Saturday and 15 on Sunday. This is to get you to spend more time on your feet and practise running on tired legs. I dont think you do much speedwork when training for your first ultra as the focus will be on finishing the thing rather than trying to win it ! I started pulling together my own training plan, using parts of other plans and trying to make it fit in with my home & work life etc, and it ended up with me working up to about 75 miles per week. It is highly unlikely that we could run all the way around a 50 mile route for example so the training suggests you adopt a run/walk stratgey e.g. run for 25 minutes then walk for 5 minutes while you re-fuel. Generally, most people will also walk up the steeper hills. To estimate how long it would take you to run a 50 mile ultra the calculation is to double your marathon time and add 2 hours, which means on this thread we would be looking at around 10 hours for a 50 miler. Do you fancy having a go at an ultra then ??
Hi Nell - I used to work in Edinburgh and it's a lovely part of the world. I wasnt running regularly at the time but I did try and run up Arthur's Seat which I struggled with but well worth the view when I got to the top. I also ran along the seafront up at Leith which was really nice but could be very harsh in the winter with the wind blowing in off the Forth. Whereabouts do you do your training runs ?
Carter - I am defo thinking about it! I don't know whether my new found confidence will be short lived or not but hey, I'll go with it! So because I have run a marathon last week, should I just keep upping the distance each week? Are there training plans on here for ultras? I work about 14 miles from home (17 miles if wanting to run on safer back roads) so I have the option to add a couple of longer rund during the week. No speed work also pleases me
Carter - to be honest I hadn't noticed about the course not being announced when I entered! Oh well, it will be what it will be. I'm sure it will happen.....
Dobster - google 50 mile ultra training plans. As Carter says - back to back weekend long runs plus a midweek MLR. Not much speedwork required but I would always advocate some sort of tempo effort. Don't forget hillwork though as most ultras have lots of hills!
Dobster - Yes I suppose it is a fine balance, just wondered how hot temperature wise it had been as my cousing ran it and his time was 25 mins slower than last year but haven't got hold of him as yet to find out what happened.
Carterusm - I live over by the ski slope at Fairemilehead, so I do my hill running on the Braid hills as it gets me off the road. I also have the Pentlands just down the road, so hopefully now that the weather will be getting better ?? I will start running a bit over that way. It has been too wet of late on the Pentlands so have just stuck to the Braids. On my long run I head over through the Gracemount, Inch and over to Arthurs seat, run up the lower road/Queens drive and then round through town to the Meadows round there and then down on to the canal at Port Hamilton, along to Meggetland and then up to the Barracks at the top of Craiglochkart, circle round there to Oxgangs and then up to Fiaremilehead. I incorporate Portobello and other places to stretch out the length dependant on the distance I am running. I ran the BHF 10k last October, that is twice round Arthurs Seat, that hurts ...lol!
The weather hasn't been great for training this year but Edinburgh itself makes it durable. Where are you based now Carterusm?
Dobster and Carter - you are welcome to those 50mile ultras. Not sure taht I will ever do something like that. Maybe if I lived out of London I might consider it but I will stick to more conventional running for now.
Me and the GF went to Edinburgh last December and had a brilliant run up Arthurs Seat and up and down all the hills around it. We got a round of applause from some walkers that were struggling to get to the top whilst we ran past them
It was very windy out there today when I put the running gear on. Did a couple of hours gardening prior to this as the grass was overdue for a cut and some general tidying up was needed after the cold long winter.
Did 6 miles today with the middle two miles at 7:08 mins and 7:03 mins, overall average pace 7:53 min/mile which is about the same as the un on Thursday night.
Funny how these short runs are still fighting with me.
Will do a short 3-4 mile easy tomorrow to knock the remaining cobwebs out of the system and plan to go for it next week.
Hope everyone had a great day.
Nice run Carl.
Carl - good session. How did u find the run compared to the previous one? Any easier?
I paced myself admirably at my football dinner last night and in bed fairly early at 2am. Up bright, breezy and hangoverless this morning. Stormin Norman Whiteside says hello ..... he's a big fella these days!
Ricky - impressed with your control. Norman used be big when he played and like most of them they balloon when they stop the disciplined training regime. A lesson for all of us no doubt.
Run was a little easier yesterday but it was marginal. Hoping that a few miles today will put me in good shape for a decent week of training next week.
My last long run today, gosh what a sad, emotional moment it was when it was over before my taper kicks in good and proper.
I had a bit of an internal debate about what exactly I was going to do mileage wise, my plan said 18 miles but I felt that was a bit OTT and then it was very warm this morning so I went conservatively, I didn't think a hard slog was a good idea two weeks out when I have plenty of long runs in the bank.
In the end I settled for 13 miles which was a bit shorter than I planned. After realising my pace once I was out there I chipped a couple of miles off of my route but ran it at Marathon pace.
So 13.14 miles @ 8:33 avg and it felt really comfortable doing it and I felt fine afterwards, there was plenty left in the tank and that was a real shot in the arm for my confidence. I felt if I had carried on running the full 26.2 I could of kept that pace fairly easily. Fairly.
Manchester marathon today, I've been sat thinking what might have been. Hey ho
Ricky - good pacing at the Norman whiteside bash last night.
Oirish - good sensible running today, you must feeling confident for 2 weeks time.
Carl - enjoy your 10k training.
Carter, it's time to think of what WILL BE!! Come October you'll be running a marathon too!! It's going to be great to follow your journey (I guess this thread's going to continue!!?)
Oirish - are you 2 weeks today? Confidence boosting performance.
Spoons - Yep two weeks today. I have started to taper this last week and figured that if it took more out of me than I realised than I could push back my next run 24 hours or so and rest up. I think the feelgood factor outweighs any potential tiredness and I felt really good throughout. I got home absolutely buzzing.
Carter - I thought of you this morning when I read somewhere about it being Manchester today, how's it been? Not to bad hopefully.
Carl - I think you have picked an excellent test, running at that shorter, faster intensity will pose different challenges than your marathon training. Keeps it interesting eh?
Ricky - Top discipline mate. Jackie fullerton and Big Norm in the same room? Sounds magical
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