RW Forum Six – Sub 2.50 Kier with Parkrunfan

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22/04/2013 at 19:30

Keir - In a way it was a good position to be in whereby you could have a crack freely without any fear of failure.

Not getting the distance is no surprise given the build up but then again it may have just turned out to be one of those weird days where everything clicks against all the odds.

You've come out of it unbroken and got a decent base for going forward from and if you're like the rest of us you'll no doubt have a few bright pink bits too!!


What is very spooky is how close to each other we were all through the race:

5K: Keir 20:26, PRF 20:48

10K: Keir 40:44 (20:18), PRF 41:34 (20:46)

15K: Keir 1:01:27 (20:43), PRF 1:02:46 (21:12)

20K: Keir 1:22:42 (21:15), PRF 1:23:30 (20:44)

Half: Keir 1:27:16, PRF 1:28:01

25K: Keir 1:44:31 (21:49), PRF 1:44:13 (20:43)

30K: Keir 2:08:16 (23:45), PRF 2:05:25 (21:12)

35K: Keir 2:35:03 (26:47), PRF 2:29:20 (23:55)

40K: Keir 3:02:15 (27:12), PRF 2:58:23 (29:03)

Finish: Keir 3:13:01, PRF 3:11:29

It was a great weekend as always but my race came undone due to a slip on a water bottle around Docklands.

Initially I thought that I'd dodged the bullet as the twisted ankle seemed to wear off with no lasting effect. But it had caused a knock on effect by straining something in my right quad area.

The end result was that I couldn't lift my right leg properly and ended up being only able to nurse it home using a slow shuffling like action. The last few miles seemed to take a long time but on the other hand there was very little effort going into them so it was also a pleasant experience to run the last few miles very comfortably.


Surprised that I only had a 15 min positive split. Felt much more!


Its a shame we didn't actually bump into each other Keir but good to see that TR had a good one and was looking very happy at the end!!

Edited: 22/04/2013 at 19:32
22/04/2013 at 21:04
Well played Keir. You still toed the line. Time to chill then regroup
22/04/2013 at 23:28

PRF - tough luck there, shame that a careful build up ends like that. What we have maintained all along about getting fit and seeing where you are on race day rings very true, and even then shit can still happen.
I think I was mighty relieved as much as anything to come out of this one with another sub3, it seemed a long way off with a dodgy knee in January and February and a long way off when my low mileage legs were already moaning at 10M.
I have a strong aerobic engine from swim, bike and run but dont run enough miles, enough races or put enough quality in. Although I would have done a few races without the knee issues, I last raced in November.

23/04/2013 at 07:57

Keir - well done on your run. Not an ideal lead up to the race but still a great time under the circumstances. 

TR - it looked like you had a good halfway time, what time did you end up finishing with ?

PRF - unlucky with the incident with the water bottle but I guess it's just 'one of those things'. How is the ankle today ?


23/04/2013 at 18:48

carter - 2:54:06

23/04/2013 at 20:54
Great time. Was it a PB ?
23/04/2013 at 21:11

no, my PB is 2:51, so not far off.

23/04/2013 at 21:38

So sorry to hear about the bottle PRF. That is a really nasty way to go out, especially as you have had such a great build up. I was really hoping you would get that 2.49.xx. Hope you recover well in order to achieve that 4.59.xx mile over the summer instead.

It is funny how close we were to each other, especially early on. Having not run VLM before, I didn't realise how small the GFA pen would be and how easy it would have been to meet up, if we had pre-arranged it. I am sorry that I didn't get the chance to shake you hand to thank you for your mentoring. 

I must admit, although I enjoyed VLM as an experience, I am not sure if it is the right place to try to pb. Apart from the bottles all over the place, I found it really hard to judge my pace. With so many runners it was really hard not to get sweapt along, I've nver experienced that before. In other, smaller marathons I've gone from one group to the next, or followed / shared the pace with someone for a few miles, but it was so busy at VLM I wasn't able to turn off and do this. I found the crowds and sights amazing and this would have been great for a 'fun run' but when trying to focus and chase a time, it all added to the distractions and affected my focus. 

Having run it now, I would definately do it again, but I don't think I would try to pb there. Just too many variables.

23/04/2013 at 21:41

Thinking about it, didn't you mispace the race TR? Weren't you after a 2.55 for the collection? Surely you could have walked the Mall? 

23/04/2013 at 21:48

Keir - no, I have 2 x 2:55, I didnt have a 2:54, although I wanst slowing for a 2:54 deliberately. I manage to zone out from the other runners and just run my pace. But i wonder how I'd do at a smaller marathon.

The 2:5X sub3 bingo card now has 2:51, 2:52, 2:53, 2:54 and 2 x 2:55 ticked off. Consistency is key ! As I approach V50 I can allow myself to slow a little to collect the 2:56 to 2:59 !

23/04/2013 at 21:53

But for the complete set, one year you are going to have to have a great from these 1/2IM, continue the running over the summer and come to Abo for that 2:50.

23/04/2013 at 22:06

MrBoat said to me at the Red Lion that if I stopped twatting about on a bike and in a pool and simply just ran, then I'd go sub 2:50, I agree with him. But I'm not sure I will. Being able to run commute all year round is tricky for me, in the winter its easier as there's no outdoor cricket.

Edited: 23/04/2013 at 22:07
23/04/2013 at 22:09
Keir - well done on Sunday! Glad you got there and got the job done in the end.

And you PRF. Sorry to hear you had an incident with a bottle.
23/04/2013 at 22:24

Well done to you as well Minni. Nice PB (despite those pesky few extra seconds) You continue on an upward trend. What's next?

TR - You're just overly multi-skilled. 

23/04/2013 at 22:30
Keir - for the first time in my life the thought of another marathon makes me want to vomit so it looks like it'll be shorter distance for a while!

Those seconds don't bother me. I wanted to finish with 3:1X:xx so very happy. Also confident that I can go faster so got the best of everything!
24/04/2013 at 09:45
Keir, well done on Sunday. You gave it a go and deserve credit. Good luck with the recovery and Abo campaign.
24/04/2013 at 16:00

Keir. Is it too early to reflect on this campaign's ups and downs ?? If it is I'll shuffle off in to the corner......

24/04/2013 at 16:34
parkrunfan wrote (see)

It was a great weekend as always but my race came undone due to a slip on a water bottle around Docklands.

I was at the drinks station at mile23 and spent the majority of the day pushing bottles to the side so the main path was clear. We had about 25,000 lucozade bottles to hand out and we were one of 5 lucozade stations so 125,000 bottles of the sticky stuff before you start to count water. This surely is way too many bottles but I guess for these the big sponsors the incremental cost of 25,000 over 10,000 is minimal.

Keir wrote (see)


I must admit, although I enjoyed VLM as an experience, I am not sure if it is the right place to try to pb.

I think that is a personal statement. Many people PB at VLM. If I look at the results page on po10, there are 204 PBs in the first 350 runners.

Scary thing is age winners:

V40 2:27:29
V45 2:28:35
V50 2:41:32
V55 2:49:37
V60 3:00:00

No easy slots until 60 years, so TR with 50 coming up is not going to get an easy ride.

24/04/2013 at 17:58

thats ok, I harbour no aspirations of trying to win the thing.

24/04/2013 at 18:11

Kier - all my pbs have been at London.   It is easy to get swept along in the first half - I was very strict with my pace and apart from the 3rd mile, which is always fast, I constantly kept my pace in check.  I think the bottle issue must be far worse later when the route is very crowded.   The only issue I had was with someone on the drinks station tidying up and bent down in front of me to pick up an empty bottle!

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