Sarah Osbourne with Minni
Ant/Zuvai - I've been in that camp. Got a 4 minute pb at a HM on the Sunday, 20m on the Friday (where I ran a bit too fast with my new found confidence from the HM) then did a 16 or 18 on the Monday with MP miles in. My calf felt tight after the Friday run and I iced it the whole weekend then it hurt during the Monday run but still I didn't stop. In the end it cost me my Autumn marathon.
I think there were a few things going on: I definitely pushed the paces far too hard, I didn't listen to my body, I didn't look at the bigger picture, but I was also a tad unlucky.
However, I learnt a lot from that and I am more careful now following a race where I've 'gone for it'. I would expect next week to be another 50+ mileage week, mostly of easy running, but probably without the speed training on Tuesday night, although might do something later in the week. I'd still expect to do a 20m next weekend too.
I don't think its necessarily the mileage that is the risk when running on tired muscles but more the faster paces.
This year I did an off road race on the Tuesday before the GNR. Plan was to take it steady but was teamed up with three men and I ended up running the 5m loop more than 5 minutes faster than I had previously . I had severe DOMS in the days that followed and was a bit concerned about injury at the GNR, so opted for compression socks for the first time ever. During the run my legs started off stiff but got better as I went on and actually felt a hundred times better at the end!
Yeah - I think dropping say speedwork on the Tuesday after a big race is definitely wise. I picked up my recent achilles injury at the track before Xmas doing intervals after just a measly 5K on the Saturday. However, that 5K was the last of a series of 6 races in 5 weeks, so I was probably cruising for a bruising. It's always easy to spot it with hindsight
Would they really cancel a race called the Brass Monkey if it was cold? Those hearty Yorkshire types would be a laughing stock
Our half has in the past been cancelled due to snow, but it's rural with some steep sections and was unrunnable.
Rested yesterday, 7-ish miles at 8mm planned tonight.
Hi sarah - That feeling of finding 8mm hard when you have been running at 8:30's is one I get on every long progressive run I do. Then I finish and think how the feck am I going to be able to maintain 7:20's for 26.2. I think it's probably the effect of the fatigue in your legs, from the days before, catching up.
As long as when you need to run faster you can then I think you are doing it right and probably more importantly getting the balance right. I felt the same way yesterday for most of my run but my legs feel great after a 55 mile week last week and 21 in two days so far this week so I'm glad I listened to the likes of Minni and the Sub 3:15 threaders a couple of months ago because I feel fresh going into my serious training with a better base than in 19 years.
In the past I've tried to run too fast, too early, and too often and encountered the type of injuries Minni spoke about earlier
Looks like a sensible session that you did on the dreadmill last night - I thought I was on the wrong thread for a moment. Was expecting to see 16 miles at MP wityh a few at HMP thrown in for good measure. (That's Half Marathon Pace, not Her Majesty's Prison).
Finally, enjoy the massage tonight but make sure you aren't running too hard tomorrow!
Hi DS2. Thankyou for your advice, its really helpful. I completley agree with what your saying. At the end of the day at the moment im running about ten miles a more a week for the last three weeks than what I was doing for the previous 10-20 so that is probably going to have some effect, that and the speed session on Monday. It is strange though how sometimes your legs can feel great and at other times like lead. I have found that sometimes if they dont feel quite right, picking up the pace more and then dropping it back down helps, however I didnt dare do this yesterday as im trying to be good and stick to my paces.
You look like your getting some serious miles in . Im being really sensible...its not like me as I try to do everything too fast...but this slowing down has meant that Ive felt fine after my LSR rather than having slightly aching calfs and toes. Im just going to do a gentle 3 miler tomorrow and a 5 mile walk to sort some things out for my friends hen party...its easier to walk into town than drive...provided there isnt too much ice on the pavements!
Evening Minni, I couldnt decide whether to run tonight or in the morning but after finishing work after 8 (12 hour shift) I decided to just go home and get some tea. Its actually quite mild at the moment (0 degrees, instead of the -8 this morning again). All the roads appear fine as do half of the pavements (which have been in the sun) but the other half are still slightly iced up.
Will they do things differently for the massage because im racing? I have it at 11 tomorrow morning.
Malcs is back on the road, he tried a run a couple of days ago and didnt have any relapse afterwards
Training Diary for forum 6 sub 3:30 (VLM)
Week 3, (Day 18). Aim; 5 mile easy
Due to running 7.5 miles yesterday instead of playing netball I was either going to run 3 miles easy today or have a rest day as usual on a thursday. Due to finishing work after 8pm (after starting at 8am) and it being an horrendous day I decided to just come home and have my tea. I tend to like running all out when ive had one of these days to detress and didnt want to risk starting steady and increasing my pace stupidly as this wouldnt benefit my marathon or the BM on sunday.
Ive now had my tea and dont really know what to do with myself as im still het up!
7 miles on a treadmill sounds like such a long way!! Do you struggle not to push the off switch?
You'll have to let me know how you get on with your sports massage as I've got my first one booked next week!! Everyone keeps recommending them so I thought I'd just bite the bullet and have a try!!
Mr Puffy - That's an AWESOME saying!!
Puffy - I like it!
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