RW Forum Six – Sub 4.30

The fundraising is massively difficult for Brathay, I'm trying to help 2 of them  for this year out at the moment although my latest venture seems to be being quite well received. The other thing with the Irish one is that you *can* enter individual days - you can't do that with Brathay and they have quite an in depth selection process as they have large volumes of applications but only ever 15 or so runners - there's 16 this year.

I love the Lakes though and am heading up there for the whole thing as extra support - hence the taxi service

SHADES wrote (see)

Emmy - I'm probably going to do a couple of days of the Irish 10 in 10 so I'll let you know what it's like.   As far as I know there is no obligation to raise any money for charity whereas with Brathay, the fund raising is the toughest part, plus you may not get a place as it's heavily oversubscribed now.

 

Ooh - now this sounds attractive. No fundraising... just running?.... that's my kinda run

I've tried to avoid giving you training advice here Emmy, as I feel it's FF's role and I don't want to tread on their toes.

Having said that, and with sincere apologies to FF, don't do any running tomorrow. Nothing. Not one step. Your reaction to your run today is your body telling you it needs to take a break and it needs a rest. You'll get absolutely no training benefit from going out and doing 13 miles, 18 miles, any miles.

You will, however, get a training benefit from not running. Put your feet up and have a recovery day. And don't think of it as a 'rest' day or a 'no training' day. It's a recovery day.

And if you need to, have a recovery day on Monday as well. Then see how you feel.

Here endeth the lesson

PS, if FF says something different, go with their advice as, technically speaking, I'm something of an idiot.

Think sometimes it takes more mental strength to know when to call it quits. Should be fully proud of yourself.

Emmy - In FF's absence I'm in full agreement with Weedy, you need to take a rest/recovery day.    Good food, good sleep.

I expect the Irish 10 in 10 course will be multiple laps, the race organiser is going to contact me when info available, he mistakenly thought I was going to do all 10.

Sister BH - I'll be up on Day 9 to support the Brathay runners....another chance to see grown men cry...LOL   and then will run Windermere on Day 10.

Is that list Monday through Friday or is that five sessions in seven days, with the order still to be decided? Or the sessions in order with a couple of rest days to be added in between depending how things go?

I'd say see how you feel in the morning. You could drop the 5 miler if you feel like you need another recovery day. Five miles isn't going to make any great difference to your training. Or maybe set out aiming to do just a couple of miles and see what you feel like at the end of that, with the option of adding another three on the end.

Again, I'd defer to FF and take his advice over mine.

Emmy - it's at Sixmilebridge in County Clare, very close to Shannon airport.

Tada! I'm back!

OK. I managed 5 miles last night in 55mins. I'm not going to set the world on fire but it was nice to be out there without feeling absolutely shocking.

So - my plan is to run 5miles tomorrow, 8 miles saturday and then a LSR on sunday... but what distance? 13? or another recommendation?

@Shades - I will not confirm or deny that I've emailed the Irish 10in10 and may be taking part in a few days What days are you doing?

@weedy - thank you for your email with the interval session. My plan is to give it a go this weekend/early next week.

How is everyone else getting on?

Are there no other people out there trying to do sub 4.30? 

@FF - Where should I look to be at the moment in regards to speed/pace?

Emmy - 10in10? Where will this end? Good you're back out running anyway.

You might just be the person I need to join me on my bucket list run across Canada. It's only 5,600km or so and will begin shortly after I win the lottery. Vancouver to Prince Edward Island, via the Rockies, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto and Montreal.

What's your plan in terms of long run distance each week leading to Paris? Guess that'll determine what you should be looking at this weekend. If you're ahead of schedule, 13 sounds okay, if you're behind schedule, you could maybe bump up to 15, depending what distance your last long run was.

Dont scare them too much if you do the 10 in 10 Emmy as i'd fancy doing it myself ina diff year

Weedy Gonzalez wrote (see)

Emmy - 10in10? Where will this end? Good you're back out running anyway.

You might just be the person I need to join me on my bucket list run across Canada. It's only 5,600km or so and will begin shortly after I win the lottery. Vancouver to Prince Edward Island, via the Rockies, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto and Montreal.

What's your plan in terms of long run distance each week leading to Paris? Guess that'll determine what you should be looking at this weekend. If you're ahead of schedule, 13 sounds okay, if you're behind schedule, you could maybe bump up to 15, depending what distance your last long run was.

@Weedy - it's all a fine line  Canada you say?.... that sounds interesting! Have you seen this? This is also an option for this year.

According to Shades plan - it should be 13 but as I missed last week so was thinking of adding a few miles and see how i feel?

Any thoughts?

Keith M Stuart wrote (see)

Dont scare them too much if you do the 10 in 10 Emmy as i'd fancy doing it myself ina diff year

I think my Irish heritage will hold me good stead! I was hoping to be able to stay with some relatives but it's a little far to commute every day. The reason that I like the Irish 10in10 is the lack of fundraising. A lot of people I know really struggle with daily life and it seems everyone at the moment is fundraising for something (VLM etc).

I don't know if I can do it this year as it's close to another 'running holiday' i'm doing with some people from the Paris thread...talking of that - I still havent had my holiday confirmed.

Talking of training - I feel especially 'hardcore'. Running in the rain today... Another philosophical question for you: Why does it always rain when you're running but then stops within 5 minutes of you being indoors?

I'd say stick with 13. If you do too much there's a risk you'll tip yourself back to where you were last weekend. Even though you've still had a couple of days rest this week, you'll still be recovering from the low point you had.

Better to get back home and feel like you could have run a couple more miles than come back home absolutely shattered and compromise the rest of next week's training.

Thanks Weedy - i'll give it a go

Emmy H wrote (see)

 

@Shades - I will not confirm or deny that I've emailed the Irish 10in10 and may be taking part in a few days What days are you doing?

 

 

 

LOL Emmy

I'll probably do the first weekend of the 10 in 10, the last weekend I'm doing the marathon at Tenby.   I'm going to Ireland in a couple of weeks to do the Clonakilty Back2Back so I'll see what further information I can find out about the 10 in 10.   The chairmain of my Irish running club lives near where the 10 and 10 is going to be so I expect he'll have a bit more info.