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Emmy Bug with Flatfooted

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M...eldy    pirate
22/12/2012 at 17:35

Last but not least

You may have to keep a lid on that 'submit' button

22/12/2012 at 17:43

22/12/2012 at 17:44

Woah! I was literally not expecting this one!  This was my pitch in case anyone didnt see it:

I’ve been a regular forumite for a few years now and finally stepped up to marathons this year using the Shades plan. Previously – the most I ever ran was half marathons and I thought that I had found my distance. I was wrong. Ive followed the various Forum 6 threads for the past year and avidly last year as we were ‘in the same’ boat. I did my first marathon (VLM) in 5.30. I had stomach issues from Mile 17-22 and felt like crap when I ended…. But somehow entered another marathon… and another…. And another.

I’m not due for just one marathon next year (which may put me out of the running) but 13 so far. I have been known to enter marathons online whilst drunk and am known to run them with friends 'just for the fun of it'.

I’m looking for a voice of reason and support from someone who deals with the distance on a regular basis and everything that goes along with it (taper, rest, training). I’ve targeted some of them as my “A” Race and others as just enjoyable long runs with friends. I need structure and a detailed plan to follow as this works best for me.

RE: Speed: I ran Amsterdam in 4.55 and felt strong and good throughout so I know that I have room to improve and push forward. I’m hoping to get 4.30 in Paris and then see how I can improve after that but I’m looking for someone who knows what they’re talking about and not just my ‘try it and see’ method.

I always try my best and if I say that I’m going to do it – I’ll do this (this also comes across as stubbornness I’ve been told). I work stupid hours at work so most of my runs are done at SOC (stupid o’clock) and in various locations wherever I’m travelling that week.


-          10km: 1.02 (June 2012)

-          Half marathon: 2.10 (Oct 2012)

-          Marathon: 4.55.53 (Oct 2012)

I’m not the fastest speed demon out there but I’ve always got a smile on my face and always looking to help out others at the ‘back of the pack’.

Based on the thread from last year – I cant offer anything cute…I’m allergic to anything with fur -  but I love dogs and will regularly run with dogs from the local shelter if I can.

I'm still in a little bit of shock! Crickey. *Waves at flat footed* 

Edited: 22/12/2012 at 17:45
22/12/2012 at 17:48
well done Emmy!
M...eldy    pirate
22/12/2012 at 17:50

Damn!  Sorry Emmy, didnt realise you were after someone who knew what they were talking about ..... will Flatfooted do ??  

22/12/2012 at 17:56
M...eldy wrote (see)

Damn!  Sorry Emmy, didnt realise you were after someone who knew what they were talking about ..... will Flatfooted do ??  

Flatflooted will be fine. As long as they don't mind my ramblings and questions!...

22/12/2012 at 18:08
Em your in safe hands Flatfooted git me round Brighton in record time!

lots of luck!
seren nos    pirate
22/12/2012 at 18:14

Em... Congratulations 

22/12/2012 at 18:29

Someone slap Meldy please.

Waves to vikW.

Can i just confirm that you are running 13 marathons next year?

22/12/2012 at 18:35

So we are targeting Paris as our A race target, i think. I'm about to dump aload of questions on you to try to get some planning done.

What others have you got before it, Can you give me a rough breakdown of your weekly mileage now and how many days a week you can run, any injuries, either current or past that may affect you. Any family or work related issues to factor in, Are you a member of a club?

Think that should get us started.

22/12/2012 at 18:56

OK. Here's hoping that I don't scare you off with this one.

Races: Here are a list of those currently signed up for/planning.

  • January: Enigma Double Marathon (5-6)
  • February: Malta marathon (ideally an A race)
  • March: eco trail de paris (i cant decide between 30km or 50km. Advice is appreciated...). Also, i'm interested in a 21km or 53 trail race in Belgium ( but I can be talked out of it as it's on 30th March.
  • April: Paris (6th) - A race, Antwerp (21st)
  • May: 26th: Mittelrhein marathon
  • June: Luxembourg, Giants Head
  • July: TBD
  • August: Thames Meander
  • September: Berlin (A race)
  • October: Cologne (I'll be drinking throughout this one...), Frankfurt
  • November: Kasterlee (tentative)
  • December: TBD
Weekly Mileage: I'm following Shades marathon plan at the moment. Typical week looks like:
  • 1x 5miles - easy
  • 1x 5 miles - tempo
  • 1x MWLR - between 8-11 miles
  • 1x LSR - between 14-20 miles.
  • 1x gym session/cycling/cross training
  • Possibly 1 additional run with the dogs - 7 miles: interval (they stop to sniff something... and I need to slow down too)
4 days a week seems to work well for me as I've not had any 'real' injuries so to say but in summer I was regularly going out 5-6 days a week. Since September - i've been running a marathon every 2 weeks/a month so have tended to relax a little on the LSR and cut it back to 12-14 milers to avoid injury/overtraining.   Injuries: As mentioned above: no real injuries. I strained a tendon in my ankle at last week's christmas enigma and DNF'd at 12 miles. The physio/doc has given me the all clear to run and i've not felt it at all since.   Family/Work: I work and travel A LOT (60/70% of my time). So i'm on the road a lot and always take my trainers along to get in early morning runs (4-5am). The main thing about travelling so much is rest - I really struggle to get in a lot of rest when i'm travelling as it's 18-20hour long stressful days. Hubby is supportive... as long as I don't go to 'stir crazy' on the amount of races that I enter.   Other:
  • I'm not a member of a club. Due to my work schedule it's impractical and I can't fit the runs in. I've tried to find running buddies but it's mostly solo runs
  • I run on a mainly Low GI diet and try to eat as healthy as I can... saying that I like a good beer and whisky!
  • Since last Monday I've been laid up with the flu... am really hoping that it clears up soon as i'm going a little stir crazy not being able to run/exercise so i'm aiming for mid this week to start running again.
I hope that i've not missed anything out?
seren nos    pirate
22/12/2012 at 18:58

Will I be the first one to note at the number of A races on that list 


Looks like a great year for you

M...eldy    pirate
22/12/2012 at 19:01

Emmy you are quite barking

I'll ask a question

Are you willing to sacrifice any of those races in order to reach you optimum goa?

22/12/2012 at 19:08

Giants Head will be an A race obviously 

22/12/2012 at 19:10

@Seren - Well... mebbe 

@Meldy - I think it depends on the race and the timing. E.g. Malta - As I'm travelling - i'd like to give it a crack at a decent time but if i'm told to reign it in and stick to xx min miles - then I will. Races like Eco trail de paris are just a bit of a laugh and i wouldnt be running flat out anyway.... I've put a list of those that i'd definitely like to do. Ones already signed up for:

  • January: Enigma Double Marathon (5-6)
  • February: Malta marathon (ideally an A race)
  • April: Paris (6th) - A race, Antwerp (21st)
  • June: Luxembourg, Giants Head
  • September: Berlin (A race)
  • October:Frankfurt
The others are open to negotiation/telling off from Mr. Flatfooted.
22/12/2012 at 19:13
goldbeetle wrote (see)

Giants Head will be an A race obviously 

With SisterBadHabit at Mile 20 with beer... AND the course profile - there's no way it's going to be an A race... It's just a race that i'm really looking forward to!

M...eldy wrote (see)

Emmy you are quite barking

I've been told that a few times.... BUT in my defence - I met someone at a race last weekend that is running 53 marathons in 2013.... mine are nothing in comparison to that!

Edited: 22/12/2012 at 19:14
M...eldy    pirate
22/12/2012 at 19:23

Its just jealousy Emmy ... I've been on the bench for a while 

22/12/2012 at 19:25

@Meldy - You have my respect. I've been out for the past week with flu (my head feels like it's been hit with a baseball bat) and I've already been told off for trying to sneak out for a run! I know that I shouldn't... but it's an itch that needs to be scratched.

22/12/2012 at 19:33

What's all this Forum 6 thing about then Emmy?

22/12/2012 at 19:38

Have a look here, Weedy and all will become clear

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