For anyone trying to crack the 3 in any marathon anywhere in the world
forgot to say
no-one remebers who won NY, or Berlin or FLM - folks remember Champions. Paula is (still) a pasty English rose who will struggle on a hot day and so whose best chance of being remembered is to keep a lid on it for 2 years and then hope for a chilly drizzly day in 2012.
Hi everyone, back from a wonderfully sunny and warm Norfolk.
Didn't make it to A&E on holiday but seeing GP for x-ray referral Monday. I pretty-much know (ok think) it's a SF having read up and followed comments from those who've been through it. Still hurts every day, often at night and from a particular spot right on the tibia. This despite not running now for 3 weeks. Pulled out of Abo.
But I'm not that down. Have turboed lots and despite bingeing on holiday (incl. drinking every night!) have managed to keep the weight to half a stone less than I was at the FLM, so that with increased cycling and a cut-back on the binge it should in theory mean that when the leg's properly healed I'll be able to get back to a marathon without too much delay. But the healing's the key and I'm not going to be stupid again. That also means any cycling will remain in the saddle - so even that won't be lummoxing it for a while.
BR - I so agree with you about Broad. How lovely to see a bit of decorum instead of that self-promoting malarki from Flintoff. By the way, about to msge you on facebook.
Edit: keeping half an eye on the Luton marathon 6th December or even Florence on 29th November, but it all depends on the leg being properly healed. Packing in the calcium and magnesium!
Good effort Dull, I've been to Reykjavik and it's not flat. I met two friendly chaps from there at the Halstead marathon who were sporting velcro-attached gels on the back of their shorts -- a neat trick -- looking back at those results, they must have been OSKAR JAKOBSSON and HAVAR SIGURJONSSON, so look out for them in your results. Both a little over 3 hrs then.
I've not been here that much recently but I note PP's splendid 10k form a bit back.
I'm still nursing a nasty blister that came from nowhere on my right foot -- tried a bit of barefoot running round a cricket boundary on the grass today to avoid any rubbing on the side of my foot where it's still angry. At least I know it'll be gone in a few days, so not as worrying as a muscle, tendon, or bone thing -- good luck RWH.
Anyone doing Grunty Fen half next month? I did it last year and it's a fast course.
Was going to be running Burnham Beeches tomorrow but have a strain and so on the bench instead - good luck to those racing. Funny how 'on the bench' and 'on the beach' differ by only one letter and yet so much?
I hope it clears up before Nottingham but that's not so much I can do about it other than not run on it and wait and see.
Jools: re Reading and the playoffs way back when, that'll be being the only side to finish second and not go up automatically, then a dry 0-0 home draw against Tranmere to get to Wemberlee having won 3-1 away, before losing 4-3 to Bolton in the final having been two up with a penalty (missed). Half a lifetime away...
Nice running Dull, sounds like a fun time.
The WC marathon today seemed like a tough one, with the field pretty spread out by the end. I still wonder why on earth they started at 11:45 ensuring it would be as warm as possible by the end. I'm quite pleased for my old teammate who pulled out 25th place and a PB - especially since 6 months ago he had a broken foot.
Guess you're absolutely right Gobi. Just wanted to have something tentative to aspire towards. If this isn't a stress fracture I'll eat my pair of Radius for charity. I'm 99% certain and it's on the lower front tibia. If I tap the bone I can feel it. Did some reading up and one report says 0% of patients healed tibial SFs in 4 wks, but 50% by 8 wks. Mind you, it's not a great place for a SF because it can cause real healing problems, sometimes with crutches / plaster / surgery etc. Eeek.
It's such a bugger, especially when I was in a fit enough condition to do a sub-3h fairly comfortably a few weeks back. Damn damn damn. Several particularly stupid things have contributed to this:
Not listening to advice on here (I blame me for this)Not listening to my body, and more specifically deceiving myself that the serious injuries were just the normal niggles (I blame me for this)Far too much tarmac (I blame Devon for this - footpaths are almost non-existent)Far too many downhills (I blame Devon / God / Slartibartfast for this, and me for living here)Getting my shoe strategy all wrong. Didn't replace when I should've done.18-week schedule. It's too much for me. Should've done a sensible amount of running + 12wksNot easing back when I should've done.Being a stupid, arrogant, bugger on here at times esp. towards TR.
Anyway, well done you on getting back at last.
p.s. I'm pretty confident that England will wrap this up nicely. Probably today.
lol Gobi. It was a little longer than 10mins
RWH - what Gobi said.
Jools - thank God for the thread pedant That was actually bugging me as I knew it didn't look right!
TR - hope you feel better soon. Great news on the foot.
Nice one on the team prize Dull.
Overdistance long run this morning - 27.5m Was absolutely shattered when I woke up - tight neck and shoulders from lack of sleep and too much diy over the last few days, so started off much more gently than usual. Eased into it slightly as I woke up, averaging 6:55m/m for the first 16m. Then, all of a sudden I seemed to fully wake up, and for no apparent extra effort, averaged 6:41m/m for the last 11.5m. Neither the quickest not the slowest long run I've ever done, but nice to get my first overdistance one done in a while.
Best week's training in a long while, so quite pleased with it. Just shy of 124m off of 7 runs at an average pace of 6:30m/m
TT I think the combination of constant tarmac and downhills is extremely injurious. I want to mix in other surfaces more - e.g. dirt track type footpaths.
Where do you live by the way? Will make a note to avoid it as I'm job-hunting!
confused by Dulls posts cos he said no-one went sub3 and then 2nd did 2:37
gobi - I agree, like I said folks remember champions. like you said its usaully Olympic champions. I ilke that - you get one chance in 4 years for the Ultimate prize. Some folks arnt championship performers though. Champions are good, kids and some adults need heroes. I guess if soemone is going to hold a WR then the 100m is teh best one to bag.
TT - I agree that tramac is good, most of my running is usually on pavement and thats teh most unforgiving. Off -road is soemtimes harder on yout body (esp a sore foot) than Tarmac. Amazing miles ! Owens goal was like the Owen of old !
RWH - Still none taken, I'm no expert after all - but I know one or 2. Dont enter anything until you are well and running consistently - the pressure of date wont help.
55M bike /30min run - my foot was sore again. I think its biking (the SPD shoes pedal combo), the run was a weary one today too. BUt I quite enjoyed it today and it was a lovely day for it.
Eldest is playing up an age group in an invitation cricket match at 2pm - so that will be a good test for him.
2 wickets down - 8 to go. I hope PP wasnt late for teh start.
We live in a different country in Devon. It's cloudy and drizzling. In London it's clear blue skies and hot. It's been this way for the past fortnight.
I do think it's the downhill poundings that are the biggest problem here - you can feel everything jar and inevitably you tend to lean back, onto the heel, however much you might try and go for it. Not great.
Well done on the bike ride TR and commiserations on the continuing foot niggle. I'm going to be turboing this afternoon.
Looking good at the Oval. I don't think it'll be all easy going. Bit of graft but we should get them steadily knocked over.
At the risk of sound a bit teenager, awesome long run TippTopp.
I have just got myself very excited after an experimental assessment of my cadence this morning. I've known for a while I tend towards short, frequent strides -- maybe 205/min -- whereas the elites all seem to do more like 180/min. Reading around, nobody ever seems to mention striding too quickly, as joggers have a slow cadence and all the advice is to get it quicker. But timing some of the 1500 m and 10000 m participants in the TV athletics reminded me I might have a 'problem', as they were all indeed at around 180. I'd always put it down to my relatively short legs (29" inside trouser leg, 5'7" tall).
So today I did a 20 mile effort on nice flat grass, experimenting with deliberately extending my stride to a more loping, slow-cadence style. Seemed a bit inconclusive initially though. After 7M I started alternating slow cadence for 1 mile, fast cadence for 1 mile, trying to keep the effort consistent, so that I could do some averaging on the logged data when I got home. I logged 6 miles of each sort to get reasonable statistics. (Ended up doing 20M in a surprisingly quick 2:13 and did an extra 3.3M slow to finish up.) Interestingly, as I got more tired, it started to get more obvious that I was quicker with the 'loping' long stride style, and my 'normal' stride started to feel odd. Loading the data into SportsTracks, the alternation of mile splits was obvious on the graph, and I was indeed quicker with a slower cadence, while my HR showed the effort was very similar though maybe a tad higher with the long stride:
Long strides (typ 189/min) avg 6:32 +/- 0:04 min/M, avg HR 148 +/- 1.5 bpmShort strides (typ 204/min) avg 6:46 +/- 0:07 min/M, avg HR 150 +/- 1.5 bpm
This is very exciting for me, as it shows a simple change to my running style might have very significant effects. In particular, my "problem" with marathon endurance compared to shorter races might in part be explained by this. Can't wait to do a long time trial with all slow cadence to get an idea of my target MP for Abingdon now.
Marigold - just remind me again of your injury? Didn't you think you had a SF only to find out on scanning that it wasn't, or was that someone else? I thought it was you that had that brilliant local newspaper report about running the FLM in some stunning time 'with a broken leg'?
That looks like quite a sensible mileage build up. If I'm lucky I could be gently running again in about 4 weeks' time. One of my big mistakes this time was that in terms of my body stresses I peaked at about week 10 of the programme i.e. much too steep a progression. So taking your sort of build up if, if, I get a running all-clear in about a month's time it would be possible to do a pretty effective marathon in say December or January, but the key thing is to be healed first as OuchOuch has reminded me. Just got to be really careful in the meantime and let it heal before I attempt to run again!
Going to try and do 2 hrs on the turbo shortly. It's important to stay fit and in my case to keep that weight down.
CharlieW - love the technical stuff there. Brilliant stride analysis and LR. And well done TT on your bigun too - forgot to say so earlier. And if you disagree about tarmac that's good for me. I think it also probably didn't help that I clocked big mileages on my shoes. To think of the nonsense I was posting on here ... I'm ashamed!
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