Sub 3

For anyone trying to crack the 3 in any marathon anywhere in the world

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24/08/2009 at 09:44

Sounds really well run mmmm...marmite congrats.

GR - still sounds like u are on target for sub 3 though if u listen to the advice of MTR etc... on getting more endurance work in.  good luck with the sore toe.

chins up Z666 sounds like a tough time.

on the coming back from injury chats and how quick etc. to get back to mileage since a complete break of 5 weeks and much interrupted training prior to that has been 11, 10, 11, 22, 23, 30, and this week MIGHT be 40.  I checked my HR stats from the BB half yesterday against comparable stats from earlier in the year.. and i've dropped back to the same level of fitness i think as i was around the start of April, which was when i first tried to start training again following a cortisone injection for he ITB so i have a LONG way to go to get back to fitness of last year or even May/Junewhen i broke down again.  on that note i am NOT going to think about doing Luton either and will just try to get back to some consistency in the hope of a marathon either ealry next year, or more likely Edinburgh in May.  i need to learn some patience.

i'm also getting fat from too much beer over past few months, but that will inevitebly drop off as i start to increase the running again (i hope!) so not too worried there.

24/08/2009 at 10:59

Was disappointing not to see any Brits in the marathons. Firstly because they would gain experience (as already mentioned), and I think more importantly, we're not providing much incentive for good club runners to push on, as they probably think there's no chance of them ever getting a GB vest.

Haven't had time to read back, but saw some good HMs by marmite and JAP, and I notice marders did pretty well in the same race (top 6 contained 3 fred runners!).

I did the National Triathlon Relays on Saturday (500m swim, 15km bike and 5k run, but with a rest in between each while your teammates compete). Then a training session yesterday which started at 6:40am and finished at 1:30pm, consisting of a total of about 80M cycling and 14M running.

24/08/2009 at 11:15
On the World Champs marathon: looking at the results I couldn't help noticing that in the women's event France, a country very similar to the UK in wealth and population size,  entered 5 people who ran between 2.42 and 2.54.21 (for comparison, 15 British women including one V50 ran faster than that in the *non-elite* part of the FLM). Do different countries have widely different selection policies - is it only the UK which operates on Paula-or-bust?
24/08/2009 at 11:29

Yup, we base athletics around clubs in this country then don't send a team.  Even if we'd been 10th or something it's still something to take away, like when your club is 10th or even 20th in the Northern Road Relays.

Thinking more about the men's marathon - it was a bit like watching Man Utd reserves vs Chelsea reserves in the Carling Cup- you know objectively they are fine players but they're not the A team and it's the same old teams / same old countries in the marathon.  At least the women's field had a better range of nationalities from around the world to spark some interest.

24/08/2009 at 11:38

Yeah, I don't see why the UK team couldn't have done what Canada did - sent a bunch of youngish guys without too much marathon experience to get their feet wet. They ended up 11th (and beat the USA - woot!).

GR From what I recall your HM was a solo time trial so based on that 1:23 isn't too bad (especially if you are in the south, it was hot yesterday). 

24/08/2009 at 11:39

Hail Hail

Not sending a team is ridiculous.  How else are our elites (or those aspiring to be elites)msupposed to get the big race experience?  Mass participation races are completely different from elite only races.

20M done and dusted at last - supposed to be progressive, but the tummy problem yesterday meant that I hadnt eaten properly last night, so 7M @ 7.15s, 7M @ 6.45s, 6M @ 7.00s (struggling to hold on, feeling weak).  Didnt help that I swallowed a bee/wasp at 18M and it stung the inside of my throat.  Antiseptic throat spray has kept the discomfort down to a minimum.

24/08/2009 at 12:24

BR - it is close to my 'traditional' training pace but i've slowed it right down trying to build the old stamina and hence, if anything it was a struggle running sub 6.24 pace!!

 KB - it was a solo affair and quite tricky to keep going given how crappy i felt.  i'm in devon, it was extremely humid and sweated buckets but it wasn't unbearably hot.

24/08/2009 at 12:27

Hi All,   I posted a bit before FLM last year, but had to pull out a month or so before..since then with taking time to get over injury, being busy with work / family etc..running has taken a bit of a back seat but am starting back this week with aim of Great South Run in October / Gosport half as immediate aims..then VLM next year with goal of 2,45....  so nowhere near fitness / form of rest of you at the moment..struggling with 6 miles at the moment!!  hopefully that will change over the next month or so..

 on the subject of not sending a team...completley agree we should send younger guys to get experience etc...otherwise where is there to progress too?

24/08/2009 at 12:38

>Didnt help that I swallowed a bee/wasp at 18M
Ouch!! Well done on getting the LSR done.

mmmm - nice run. I think we are going to be much closer on 20/09 than you suggest, hopefully we can push each other on.

Agree with comments re selection policy for WC marathon. Where is the incentive for our 2:18 - 2:25 runners to push on for the next level?

I managed to get out for my LSR this morning - 23M offroad @ 6:14 avg pace. That is 3 x 23M runs done in Berlin prep (I only managed 1 x 20M and 1 x 18M for FLM '09 build-up). No serious problems with my ankle which is good.

Glad to see my RW forum activity ranking has dropped from 5th to 2205th (Padams is highest ranked at the moment).

Edited: 24/08/2009 at 12:49
24/08/2009 at 13:41

Coro - apparently I'm ranked 17th now, despite not logging on for several days and not posting much recently! Seems to be a completely random list.

Nice LR by the way (intentional omission of the S in LSR!).

RB - unlucky on the bee/wasp. I got stung on the inside of my lip when running in France a couple of years ago - I imagine being stung in the throat would be much worse (and quite dangerous!).

24/08/2009 at 14:58

Coro: You are running well when your ankle lets you. Bodes well for Berlin.

RB: Ouch. I had a wasp sting on the lip a coupld of months back. Hurt a lot for a few days. At the time I was very grateful I'd not swallowed it.

GR: 1:23 on your own is fine - more than fine. I did 1:23 at Bristol HM last year, backed it up with a sub-3 at Abingdon 5 weeks later. Doubt I could run 1:23 on my own.

Zenith: Possibly a sensible decision, although I've found running to be a great stress relief during bad times at work.

RWH: Don't jump ahead of yourself. You still need a firm diagnosis and treatment plan. In the meantime, enjoy the last few weeks of the holidays.

24/08/2009 at 15:42

marmite - your description of BB sounds all too familiar to me from 2 years back. Nice run. How much quicker do you think you would have been if you raced it?

gr - I had problems with ingrown big toenails when I was much younger and eventually had to have some kind of 'op' where they had to open back some of the flesh around it, cut it somehow and I've never had a problem since.

zenith - tough luck on the job front. I know how hard it is to enjoy your running when you're not enjoying work, but cannot even begin to imagine how tough it must feel with your current situation. Fingers crossed it works out well for you.

Nice work on both the LSR and the ton-up RB

Nice long run coro.

Thought it made a pleasant change for Foster to be having a go at the selectors instead of whinging about the lack of talent...... hopefully he's not the only one who starts to have a change of perspective!

24/08/2009 at 15:45

Hail Hail

Managed to nip out and see Mrs RB and she gave me an antihistamine which has defintely helped.  Luckily, I hadnt actually swallowed the wasp, but spat it out (and fell all over the place) after it had stung me.  The back of my throat is pretty swollen and sore but the meds are helping.

Feeling drained right now (not cos of the sting although that doesnt help) as thats 120M in 8 days, and 16 days straight which is the most consistent I've been in ages.

coro - flipping fast.  In the words of a great man...... NICE.

24/08/2009 at 16:11

I'm having a really good day!

First my Head has agreed to fast-track me with immediate effect for school management training. Was very warm about it/me ... and he's paying!

Second, Arsenal football club decided not to charge me for 4 tickets all to do with helping a lad out who has been to hell and back. Good on them: very impressed (and it saves me 140 quid as I would have bought the tickets).

And third, the NHS have just come up trumps. Saw the GP. It was our locum. Impressive. Good chat. Gently prodded suspect area - still hurts. Immediate x-ray referral. Was given a choice of 3 clinics and I chose the local one if they could see me quickly, with backup to others if they couldn't. They can: 9.15am tomorrow. GP was in no doubt about what to do if SF is confirmed: she said 'you're a serious athlete so I won't refer you to an ordinary orthopaedics, we'll put you straight through to a specialist in athletic injuries and physio rehab.' Our friends over the pond may sometimes snipe at our system but on an occasion like this I reckon that's pretty damned good. Will keep you posted!

BR I'm stumped. Ports, but something more .... ?!

 EDIT: Can anyone who's experienced SF just remind me again what I'm looking for on the x-ray. Apparently I get to keep a copy! A thin black line? It's 5 wks since first noticed the pain so presumably some calcification if it's a SF?

Edited: 24/08/2009 at 16:34
24/08/2009 at 16:28

RB and TT - fantastic mileage.  It all seems so easy and controlled sitting from the other end of a computer screen (stings excepted)!

RWH - is that the NCSL course?  I'll give you some special training on dealing with awkward Union reps who know the rules and procedures better than SMT

The ports are all twinned with Hull.  I think Alehouse alluded to it.

Coro - another great run.

TR - hope you've got your kids names down for a decent public school.  It gives you a 5/6 chance of getting one of the England batting berths at present.  Alternatively a fake South African birth certificate will soon give a 4/6 chance.

24/08/2009 at 16:34
BR - so very cynical. Can we not just be happy we won the Ashes ?
24/08/2009 at 16:37

BR - yes it's a NCSL course. I think I should do the Leadership from the Middle (LfM) one first (10 months) then go for a Deputy Headship next Sept and Headship in c. 4 or 5 yrs via the Headship course (NPQH) that they also do. What do you reckon?

Twinned with Hull - brilliant question! Was stumped.

Loving your cynicism!!!

By the way - think my edit was lost in the ether. Just asking again if anyone with experience on SF's can remind me what I'm looking for tomorrow morning? A thin black line? It's c. 5 weeks since first really noticed the pain so some calcification may have formed if it's a SF I think?

Edited: 24/08/2009 at 16:51
24/08/2009 at 16:57

It's more usual in state schools to go to DH and Head via Asst. Headship first.  Not sure of the position in private schools, but I'm sure if you ask the England batting line up they'll fill you in

I did some running as well today - question for TT.  Would running Pewsey Vale at Marathon effort (87% MHR) have a detrimental effect on the 22 mile time trial at Wolverhampton the Sunday after?

24/08/2009 at 17:02

I've got BR on ignore at the moment. Can someone tell me - has he stopped grumbling about the cricket yet?

24/08/2009 at 17:03
GR – steady fella. 10M at MP in training is tougher than most think, 13M in 1:23 in training is 13 at better than MP. You’d be 1:20 or better with a number on and that’s 2:50 ish (if you have the endurance). I’d say that you are in fine fettle.

Z – shame. Take a step back and just tick over.

RP – nice to see you back to it.

RWH – you now have all the forum (rather than just a few of us) telling you to ease back to it. You ignore us this time (and rush back) and you’ll be black-balled for good

PAdams – 7 hrs of training is impressive stuff, but get to it a bit earlier of a morning if you want top respect !

BR – my 2 are rare state school cricketers. By the time they start playing at state school (age 12) its too late, luckily I started mine on my own. But they are defo limited by the amount of cricket that they don’t play. The private school kids at our club all play cricket from the year dot and play cricket regularly.
My eldest played up a year y’day in a match against the rep side and bagged a quick 25 (2nd highest score) as a tail ender and opened the bowling with 1 for 9 off 3 and didn’t look out of his depth against rep side kids who are older than him (let alone rep side kids of his own age).
On the strength of y’days showing the SPO is convinced that already my kids don’t have the right postcode or school badge. They have rep side trials (for next summer) soon – so we’ll see.
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