Sub 3

For anyone trying to crack the 3 in any marathon anywhere in the world

91,821 to 91,840 of 116,964 messages
05/11/2012 at 09:29

Congrats Padams and CW. Solid wins!

We had our county senior cross country championships yesterday. Our club won it for the first time and quite comfortably too. We beat our rivals by about 20 points. First time for me doing a xc race and it was every bit as tough as I was warned. Good fun though! Finished the 10k in just over 39 minutes in 16th.


05/11/2012 at 10:15

Thanks Paddams. I'm seriously tempted!

05/11/2012 at 10:18

Congrats Padams (inside my pb off a relaxed run!) and CW on the wins!

Njord - brilliantly nuts as always.

Congrats on the pb Al_P!

And nice parkrunning Wardi, and RS78.

And nice relay work from Jools and LS21.

I got caught on the hop by the weather yesterday morning. I went out pretty layered up, but got completely soaked in the first few minutes, and then shortly afterwards the wind picked up and the temp suddenly dropped and the rain picked up even more. Combine that with the fact I was only jogging (and therefore not generating much heat) and also have a cold, by the time I got home I was probably bordering on mild hypothermia. Not nice. It took ages to feel normal again. Still, what doesn't kill you

05/11/2012 at 11:04

‘CharlieW’ – Congratulations for the win but who are you, and what have you done with the real CharlieW?  Not a single mention of injury niggles, blister plasters held in place with corn starch, or reprogrammed Garmins wired into secret Russian satellites and powered using Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems contained within hollowed-out running shoe soles.

Padams – Congratulations also.  Unlike above, no doubt it was you posting – big bike miles, limited running training, race times I can only dream of.  Superb!

Home Run - I’ve run Rotterdam twice: 2:42 for 124th out of 7878 finishers in 2010, and 3:06 for 580th out of 7338 finishers in 2011.  Thoughts:   

  • Medium size marathon with a decent amount of company for the sub-3 runner.
  • Can be windy - the risk you take when running somewhere so flat.
  • Fast course.  A few minor slopes:  one bridge that you cross twice and an underpass.
  • Fairly decent crowd support all the way round (better than Amsterdam, not as good as Berlin/London)
  • Rotterdam is a modern industrial city rebuilt after being flattened by the Luftwaffe during WW2.  Plenty of decent [smoke-filled] bars around with lots of live music, but not much to offer the city break tourist.
  • Easy to get to from UK, either direct to Rotterdam airport, or to Amsterdam Schiphol and then a train ride of 40 minutes or so.


I’m fortunate enough to work for an Anglo-Dutch company whose corporate HQ is 100 metres from the start/finish line.  On the day of the marathon (and associated 10K), they provide food/drink/masseurs/showers for any of their employees who are taking part.  This played a big part in my decision to run there – plenty of people I know, and a very comfortable and convenient base on the day of the race.

Definitely a good choice for someone focused 100% on running a PB.  If that drops to 95%, then I’d go with Barcelona

Edited: 05/11/2012 at 11:07
05/11/2012 at 12:19

Njord nah I'd never use kinetic energy recovery -- it would be a parasitic loss from my running performance! (I did have a blister patch, but it disappeared somewhere into my drenched sock -- no harm done though.)

TT -- I think I was a bit hypothermic too. I turned around in my cool-down realising I was just going to do some damage to icy muscles, and was a shivering wreck at race HQ; then put on so many layers I eventually got too hot cycling home, and felt quite peculiar for some time too...

B_Kins nice XC result by the sound of it. If you had similar weather then that was a bit of a baptism of fire (or rather water, as is more traditional for baptisms) for your first one.

Legs are a bit stiff this morning but not too bad (I suppose I was only really running hard for about half my race). Felt horribly sluggish when I did a few extra miles on the bike though, so I've not escaped some fallout from the assorted insults I threw at my body yesterday.

Cheerful Dave    pirate
05/11/2012 at 12:25

Some decent racing going on at the weekend, especially the pot-hunting from padams & CW

Just back from two weeks family holiday in Florida, so the last two weeks of ballbuster training consisted of running on some of the flattest terrain on gods earth, and several glasses of Sam Adams Octoberfest, one of the finest brews on the planet.  Lovely stuff.  Runs were OK, I've still not got a huge amount of speed back after long distance triathlons this summer, but there you go.  Much of it was in the dark of early morning to avoid mucking up family plans for the day, but the roads are well-lit enough.

Next weekend should be fun, I ran around the course yesterday and the it was awash, impossible to avoid wet feet on the roads and the exit from the transition area is a quagmire.

Cheerful Dave    pirate
05/11/2012 at 12:46

Bargain of the holiday was picking up some Vibram Bikila LS for 60 USD, looking forward to trying those out at some point.

05/11/2012 at 14:14

CD - pot-hunting, how dare you! Actually I had to rush off so no idea what my prize was, if there was one. It was the county champs though, so I am the Herts champ at the very least.

The tranistion area of the Nadbuster is the one thing that would put me off doing it again. Mount the bike with very muddy socks or cleats filled with mud? Not a decision I really want to have to make.

Sounds like you had a good time in Florida. Did you see the bike split from the IM winner there last weekend?!

05/11/2012 at 14:29

Nice work on the XC relays, LS21 & Jools.

Padams - easing up to finish a second outside my PB.  How very considerate.    Excellent work fella!

CW - Fantastic victory, charging through the field.

B_Kins - congrats on the club victory.

In the spirit of NadBuster sort-of tapering I did a bit over the weekend, but a bit less than the previous weekend - 50 miles on the bike Saturday and 16 running yesterday, all fairly leisurely. Spin class at lunchtime today, planning a curtailed interval session tomorrow and then taking it fairly easy after that.

Cheerful Dave wrote (see)


Next weekend should be fun, I ran around the course yesterday and the it was awash, impossible to avoid wet feet on the roads and the exit from the transition area is a quagmire.

Oh joy.

05/11/2012 at 15:11

Njord - Forgot to say (sorry, it's Monday...) even by your standards, that's a cracking race report.  The time-travel element adds a certain delicious bonkers-ness.  You've excelled yourself there. 

05/11/2012 at 15:39

PP - my official time was 1s quicker than the time I reported above I'm afraid!

Looking forward to seeing the Nadbuster results this weekend, hope it stays dry from now until then.

Cheerful Dave    pirate
05/11/2012 at 16:20

They may re-route it PP, we used to have a slightly different (but narrower) route from transition to the main road.  The problem they have is that the exit was the main (only) route for vehicles onto Donkey Green for the Olympics, and got churned up a lot over the wet summer.  It hasn't really recovered since.  If it doesn't rain too much between now & sunday it'll be OK.

padams, 4:04!  That's some going.  Looks like he was getting caught pretty quickly at the end, but had done enough. 

Cheerful Dave    pirate
05/11/2012 at 16:26

Very much a cyclists course though, there are people running the marathon in over 4 hours but still finishing sub 10.

05/11/2012 at 16:29

Great wins from padams and Charlie. I think padams' 'easy jog' was quicker than my 10k pace....

Nice 14 miler from AW, and hope HR as had a good long 'un. I quite fancy Barcelona Mara one day based on the recommendations of padams and Dan, but not next year.

Top XCing from B_Kins and hopefully TT has warmed up a bit!

Sounds like CD had a top holiday too.

After my heroic exploits of Saturday's XC Relay I did a bit longer run yesterday. 13.5 miles in the mud. My legs didn't like it one bit. In fact they got a bit Elvis on me. So I'll be knocking owt in double figures on the head for bit. Time to chill, tick over with a few runs of 60 mins or so and enjoy the XC season.

Cheerful Dave    pirate
05/11/2012 at 16:46

I've just entered the Richmond Half Marathon, entries are again open ridiculously early but there you go.  Interestingly it's the same day (5th May) as the Richmond Park Marathon, which starts an hour later.  With a quick word to the organisers about starting the marathon a little after everyone else a double might be on...

(No, I'm not tempted!)

05/11/2012 at 18:36

flipping glad I'm not doing the NADbuster then, esp given my ability to get lost/fall over/crash my bike. I thought transition was always a bog anyway !

looks like AL_P had a good race y'day after employing the inverse taper strategy this week

5M, 1.5k, 6M. Cant remember running more than 5M since the Solent 1/2, so I did 6M on the journey home just to prove that I can still run further than 5M. 

05/11/2012 at 19:00

[accidental duplicate deleted]

Edited: 05/11/2012 at 19:03
05/11/2012 at 20:00

Blimey a deluge of post on here since yesterday. Will have a proper read back but on placement at the moment so loads of stuff to sort. Noticed Padams with a storming run at Stevenage!!

Outpatients musculoskelal today, hydro pool tomorrow, orthopaedic wards from wed. Mainly observation 2 week placement but mentor tried catching me out today on anatomy and succeeded, ha......but commended on a couple of occasions. Interesting bloke with loads of theories around practise so enjoyed the discussions.

Knocked out a 16 yesterday. I don't necessarily feel like I'm getting much much quicker on those park runs even if I am faster but I definitely feel a bit stronger on long runs managing a higher pace easier.


Edited: 05/11/2012 at 20:05
06/11/2012 at 10:21

Njord - my company have a base in Mumbai, so I have occasionally thought about trying to do something similar for that. With it typically being a week or two before my birthday there's also the added benefit that I could tie marathon recovery into that. Maybe for my 40th in a few years...........

CW - I ended up with aching knees and pure white hands for a couple of hours, but other than feeling cold for most of the rest of the day it wasn't too bad after the initial hour or so.

RS78 - that sounds like just the feeling you want to be getting for marathon training in my book.

Getting back to proper training this week after 3 weeks of taking it easy. Looking to up the mileage this time around compared to Berlin, so yesterday was a slow 7/10 double, then a slow (slippery) 15 into work this morning, and hopefully somewhere between 8-10 on the way home, possibly with some shorter efforts thrown in, and then, all being well, my first 20(+) since Berlin tomorrow.

Edited: 06/11/2012 at 10:22
06/11/2012 at 17:38


time to jump in properly now having had a 2 week break from Abingdon. Still toying with the idea of attempting sub 2:45 at some point next year.

Having taken note of the advice already given I think that I have a workable plan to fit a 15 midweek long run into my week, thiugh it will take a fair bit of orgasnisation as I don't fancy running that far with a backpack. I think speedwork will remain as tempo runs and marathon efforts in my LSR's.

Managed an 8 easy commute this morning, 7:10mpw average, though I may have raised some issues with my left leg so will aim for the same again tomorrow and reassess.

Previously bookmarked threads are now visible in "Followed Threads". You can also manage notifications on these threads from the "Forum Settings" section of your profile settings page to prevent being sent an email when a reply is made.
Forum Jump