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10/02/2013 at 18:48

LJ - excellent, that was more than (race) time on feet then.

10/02/2013 at 18:53
Cheerful Dave wrote (see)

Yes TR, someone made the podium but it wasn't me!  I ended up 51st in 1:16:08, and I'd have bitten the arm off that offered that at the start.

I ran with a clubmate for the first few miles, then around 4 or so, Jock Itch caught us and by the time we were at 6 we had a nice group or half a dozen or so formed up.  I got a bit of a second wind at 7 and felt really good, but eventually I lost touch with the group on the last of the little rises over motorway bridges, at maybe 11 miles.  Kept them in sight though, and the finish was strong enough but not quie enough to slip under 76.  Not complaining though.

Very interesting CD. I'd very likely have been in that group with you as I did 1:15:41, and was in a group of 7 for ages!

Can't quite make you out from your pic, what vest/top were you wearing? I was in a red Sandhurst top (ignore this pic, i'm too dumb and lazy to work out getting anew one up)
2mins 12 off the pb today, a stark contrast to me last year taking 6secs off and thinking I was near the end of my road!!

Marigold. wrote (see)

Taken a cheeky look at the Wokingham results, some good stuff in there considering the conditions,

Echo this, conditions weren't exactly picnic fare! Normally I'd be the first to be giving it loads about the wind and rain, but somehow it all came together perfectly for me today!


Jools, good effort too.

Dachs, I've given you enough praise today, in both the flesh, to Bus in the car home, and on my thread in training, but well done

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10/02/2013 at 18:56
TR, today was the first time I've run a pre-London road race since I started managing to get inside 2:40. I ran 74 at Paddock Wood in 2008 but then blew up in Boston. So it's hard to tell really. Spring Ballbuster in 3 weeks might be a better yardstick.
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10/02/2013 at 19:06
OK SG, I remember the sandhurst guy. Tall fella (well, compared to most of the group!). I was the bald guy in the green top with a horizontal white band. My clubmate who looks exactly the same would only have been a bit behind when you caught us up, but I had a helly on under my vest and he didn't.

I was glad to be in that group, it was paced just right. I just couldn't hang on when we went over the M-whatever near the end, and I was 100m or so behind you from then on. Nice PB, you've got to be pleased with that today.
10/02/2013 at 19:10

Ah I remember the 2 of you. Other chap for Bracknell?

Was an interesting group. 2 guys at the front kept chatting (!), but then dropped away, one guy had the most incredible running style I've ever seen, ramrod straight, very high arms like he was trying to climb an imaginary rope!

But yes it kept us all ticking over nicely, and as you say, being a lanky bastad, I wasn't getting the wind cover I'd hoped for loitering in the middle/back of the group!

Certainly knew that dropping off that group would be a big mistake!

10/02/2013 at 19:23

Blimey, well done to anyone who pb'd in those conditions: Dachs, DanA and Stevie. Bodes very well for all of you as the conditions must have been worth something.  We can argue about quite how much until the cows come home!

TR: I'm pleased with the result.  It came after weekly mileage of 68, 70, 64 and (this week) 69, so I reckon if I can knock out 1.27.59 (thank you, chip of wonder) on knackered legs in not the best conditions feeling aerobically strong, I'm in very good shape.  I'm going to hang on in with big miles for another 2 weeks so that I take my 55M cut back week for the Bath Half and see what the legs can manage there.

Cheerful Dave    pirate
10/02/2013 at 19:45
SG, the Bracknell guy (different club to me but also a balding 40-something) was Jock Itch, although he hasn't posted here for a while now. The guy with the arms had mellowed his style a bit by then, it was even more animated earlier on. Still, it obviously works for him because he was quicker than me.
10/02/2013 at 19:48

ah nice to put a face to a forum name with him too.

Good to see people who use their arms to help their running. A lot of us hold them out aimlessly like some kind of T-Rex!

10/02/2013 at 20:24

CD - all the best for the NADbuster then, 3 weeks, is that all. Spring must be on the way at last, hooray.

Jools - good, I like it when you are pleased with your races. You should go much faster on fresher legs at Bath. 3 weeks away too ?

I still hope to make a race somehwere during the build up, Salisbury 10 is 4 weeks today, I'll decide in another 2 weeks, I doubt it'll sell out.

10/02/2013 at 20:35

Inspite of all my pre race woes I still managed a relatively good day at Wokingham.

The race plan was to hang on to the heels of my freind for as long as possible. This was working well until around mile 9 when I managed to over take him and put a couple of other runners between us. Maintained a reasonable fluctuating pace and passed the odd person on the way. By mile 12 I got into an epic battle with this guy. Every time I tried to take him he sped up a bit. I knew that I had to pass before the final corner which I did, so was able to take a decent racing line to the finish. With a sprint finish I managed to clip him by a couple of seconds.

Splits 6:07, 6:16, 6:05, 6:12,6:14, 6:14, 6:09, 6:17, 6:17, 6:21, 6:31, 6:21, 6:05, 0.1 in31.5" (5:44 mpm)

1:21:39 chip time new pb

Given the weather there are alot of good results today. Well done to all.

Edited: 10/02/2013 at 20:36
10/02/2013 at 20:45
Jolly decent weekend of running by all it seems

Good XC from Marigold, RS (good to see you're going in a positive direction), LJ (top mileage & birdwatching too) & Andy D (plus a good long run), nice LR TR (another thumbs up for getting back on track!), LD commiserations on the difficult 10k, well Parkrun Wardi and vet pot bagging from CW

Excellent turn out for Wokingham and a slew of good times/PBs from CD, Jools (well paced), Dachs (congratulations on the Sub75) Dan and SG.

Today at Wokingham turned out to be a bit of surprise for me, thought the weather was going to foul things up but the stronger winds didn't materialise thankfully. Balls'd up the start a bit by starting too far back and took nearly 10sec to cross the line ( the 75min sign was quite far back, were they expecting a lot more 70-75min runners???). As a result the first mile or two were quite quick. Caught up Dachs, but was a bit worried I might have burnt too much energy doing so. As Dachs said we got a group of 4-5 and it worked well. Had a couple of wobberly bits between miles 5-7 when I thought I was going to get a stitch in my abs, but it held off. Pace was good through to 10M (under 5:45/M) but was waiting for the wheels to fall off helpfully the group closed up as we picked up the lead lady and another two guys. Didn't believe I was going to pull it off until about 12M and the last uphill stretch was not pretty! Finished 33th in 1:14:13 for a PB by 2'15" absolutely over the moon!

I think the running form work I did with the Running School in Southampton has a lot to do with today's race. I really didn't think I'd done nearly enough speed/pace work to result in such an improvement (last 1/2 was only in Nov). I felt strong and when things got difficult/hard I just refocused on the aspect's of my form we'd worked on (lift heels, push back with straight legs etc...) and the required effort dropped noticeably, just need to keep practicing to get it more locked in sub-consciously.... It's nice to have glutes that actually do there job now.
10/02/2013 at 20:46
Postie - x-post - well done on the PB and nice racing
10/02/2013 at 20:50

postie - nice, what was your previous best, what time are you hoping for at VLM ?

Al_P - very well done, it will give you a nice confidence boost too with 10 weeks still to go. Fair reward for some recent hard work.

10/02/2013 at 20:52

Nice one indeed Al_P!

Although I think 2:12 is quite enough to take off in one go, 2:15 is getting greedy

10/02/2013 at 21:03

Blimey, congrats on the new PB's DanA, SG, Postie, & double congrats to Al P & Dachs for Championship times.  Class running as always from CD & Marders.

Jools.. nice 1:27 after a mile packed week.  'We can argue about quite how much until the cows come home'   Shouldn't that be 'until the horses come home'?  I see Matt from the Telegraph is getting plenty of material for his cartoons from the horsemeat scandal!

Charlie.. sub 90 for 15m is very good running, congrats on the prize.

Dids.. well raced considering the scenery!

Great long runs today Andy D & Simon & LJ.  ...and well done to LJ on a mileage ton for the week!

Got out for 12.5m in the rain today, lonely old outing.  Saw just one dog walker & 2 wet cyclists!

10/02/2013 at 22:12
Al_P, without wishing to imply that I spend my races staring at other blokes, it did occur to ne during the race how easily you seemed to be moving, so the form is good
10/02/2013 at 22:16

Average run today.

10/02/2013 at 22:20
Despite my appalling run, I once again won the dire V50 category. So, in two months I have won more prizes than in the previous 12 years of running.

Each one a totally hollow victory.

When I was early mid 40s, setting PBs, I used to be brought to earth by some old boy cruising past me. Where have they all gone? I'm convinced they've joined the ranks of the boring old cyclists.
10/02/2013 at 22:30
Looking at the results, Today I was beaten by;
John Lloyd (British tennis coach/player?)
Mark Smith (singer with The Fall?)
Mark Almond (Soft Cell?)
Andy Townsend (Chelsea and EIRE footballer?)

Is this a name sake/dropping record?
10/02/2013 at 22:39
SG and Postie - more good runs at Wokingham.

TR - I hope so!

Wardi - well done getting out for a run today. Surprisingly I saw loads of people out today including 2 big groups of runners. I hardly ever see anyone when I run at home.
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