Sub 3

TB - I have found in long races if I am dehdrated the first place I notice any discomfort it hamstrings. Possibly just a cramp type pain as opposed to any major damage? Do you have a foam roller? I find the foam roller doesn't do too much for the hamstrings but the calfs it can work a charm on. May be worth trying that? Can you pinpoint and area by putting pressure on anywhere?

Had a quick look at Strava but not sure how to upload from Suunto. Will have a proper look later.

Anyone else at Sussex marathon? I have entered, not expecting a PB but just fancy a long run out in a race environment.

Dids - indeed. maybe not enough recognition. I'm not a great respector of running I guess, Strava, WAVA, 5k, 10k, 10M its all fluff to me unless theres any menthol suffering involved and menthol games to play. I'm only chasing a sub3 each April to prove to myself that I still have a pair.

LD - don't worry, I'm only logging bike rides on Strava, so your records are safe. In any case, I've never been to the north-west before and I don't plan to either!

for my turd meets air movement device (AMD) update ... boring I know but it's nice to write it down:

too much running on ski-ing holiday (probably should be none) and ill advised 19M run upon return, led to very sore calves and quads, very little running the following week until 20M race and (no surprise) same symptoms back but worse. Very sore Mon/Tuesday, did a couple of swims. Ran 4M/2M yesterday, 5M today, not too bad.

just been to physio - bit of treatment and some names to put to pains - calf pains are in tibialis posterior  and worse quad is the sartorius (longest muscle in the body folks).  And TFL which I knew anyway. Mainly right leg. Having them identified doesn't help too much I guess, except TP might be a sign of new shoes needed (and praps shouldn't have worn DS Racers on Sunday). 

Hope to continue easing myself into it by anohter mile or so each day and fingers crossed get back to something approaching normal next week.

has anyone gone from Asics 1170s to their new GT 1000s? which I have received today

Supposed to natural progression so ordered a pair online, just put 'em on seem a little narrower maybe.

OK, I think I'll start respecting you more as you are actually probably higher than 11th in reality, as I bet some of the others were on bikes, but also a bit of respect is due as you are still banging out sub3s and am even older than me !

LD - you are spot on of course, naming the bits isn't of much help, but if my legs are sore I reckon a massage is more likely to help than not. £35.

A day off the forum and I've already lost track of all the great training exploits...

SX9 -- I get tragic DOMs in the quads especially whenever I hit the mountains -- assuming your ski resort was somewhat hilly, could the unaccustomed descents have just given you stiff muscles? Calves can suffer on the climbs too. And then skiing will have used some unusual muscles. I've felt DOMS a week later when I've tried to run hard, too (e.g. after a marathon).

bufo802 -- apparently there are going to be a couple of 66 min runners this time, don't know who... an email went round our club for anyone willing to talk who would be racing it hard or preferably aiming for a podium -- I made it quite clear I wouldn't be anywhere near the podium, but if they didn't find anyone else I was willing to be interviewed! Quite fun actually, as I realised from the presenter's email .sig that they were only about a mile away, so I biked over to the actual proper studio. Also had a chap organising obstacle races and the race founder (a clubmate of mine) on the phone.

DanA -- *now* you tell me... if only I'd checked on on the thread earlier. The presenter had two boxed pairs of new trainers in the studio, so I did at least get her to check for spangly laces on the way out.

LD Agreed. I'm sure that lots of stretches are fantastic, but it was a well-meaning PE / physio friend who, I think, screwed my hip. She got me doing 'the swan.' If anyone doesn't know what that stretch is, it involved pushing your leg under your body at right angles and then leaning on it as hard as possible for as long as possible. It's entirely unnatural and hurts. Load of bollocks I now think. Mind you, she was drop-dead gorgeous so when she offered private tuition sessions, in which I made damned sure it was necessary she demonstrated every movement, I think the unnatural pain was worthwhile.

Tim hope you don't go down with the lurgy.

8m bagged up on the Heath. Haven't run like this for three years.

HR.. nice to see you enjoying the miles again after being told that your running days were heading for the abyss! 

TR.. it must be March if you're starting to wind up the training with doubles & triples!

ES.. cracking treadie intervals & a hard MP session form CJ noted. 

Good session on the Prom Marigold (I assume it wason the Prom!).

JB, Simon.. sorry to hear of niggles though as Marigold said it is niggle season.

Dids.. I was slobbing with you in spirit yesterday.. pizza, wine & ice cream.  After a 4m easy + 7.5m hard fartlek on Tuesday the old legs were a bit cranky so I had a rest day.  A clubmate of mine had what he thought was a hammy problem but the physio told him it must be nerve related as putting his elbow into the hamstring didn't hurt!  Don't blame you for trying a test run.

Back to normal with 13m+4.2m today  

LD -- if it's piriformis-type sciatica, you need to be easing your weight painfully down onto a tennis ball lodged against whichever bit of your buttock is most sore, holding it until it surrenders, and then trying somewhere else. And doing some stretching of your thigh across towards the opposite ribs. Mine didn't get any better from more running when I had it -- just got worse, with the leg going oddly rubbery and tingly. Myofascial (?) release is the way to go. No idea what to do if it is spine-style sciatica though.

Hope the lurgy passes quickly, TB. My wife and daughter had mere colds this week, so I've had the full complement of quackery: Vicks First Defence, grapefruit juice, Zn supplement and echinacea. Just in case. If half the immune-bolstering claims are true I should be able to deflect machine-gun bullets with my bare skin by now.

Good miles there today Wardi, must be March as I'm running midweekers and MP rolled into one (and then swimming and then running home again). If I wasnt so scared of copping one in the toaster then I'd say that I'm actually starting to get a bit running fit (finally) and my knee is improving, but I am scared of copping one in the toaster so I'm not !

Sorry to hear that others are edging onto The Bench; hope you all heal soon!

Congratulations on achieving media whore status, Charlie, although I'm disappointed you didn't get the chance to play Media Whore Word Bingo.

Late call up for the Inter-Counties Cross Country on Saturday for me, so replaced my planned reps session with a steady run.  I suspect that I will be a non-scoring athlete, but it'll be interesting to see quite how high the standard is.  As long as I'm not last, it'll do!