For anyone trying to crack the 3 in any marathon anywhere in the world
SL - I think it's going to be an eye opener. I'm pretty shit going downhill as it happens, much stronger on the ups.
CW - sounds like a good plan. Bloke of know from the fell running club is acting as support/nagivator for an attempt next month
CD (toaster) and Simonx9 (SL comment)
SL - if I remember rightly, the calculation was roughly 3-4s per bpm, though I found as I put in more effort (i.e. getting up around Mara effort) it was around 2.5s per bpm when I used one previously. Not sure about others, but the only Mara I wore one for came out as 87% of MaxHR, but that included cruising the last 10k rather than pushing it.
LJ - don't overdo it. Irrespective of illness you're still in great shape so don't panic. In terms of taper though I like 2 weeks max, so if I were racing this would be my final hard week.
TR - average pace. Yep, all things being equal it's a good indicator. If I changed from doing shorter efforts to longer sustained efforts I'd expect the pace to change as well though.
CD - as above, all things being equal? Are they? It still doesn't mean you'll run slower though. You may just be doing your long runs and intervals at a more beneficial effort/pace.
Al_P - nice month.
TT - you're right, not all things are equal. I'm running more miles per week this time as I'm not doing ironman this summer, and I've had more 'tired' runs as a result, which would bring the average pace down. I'm not banking on anything for london though, just find a comfortable pace early on and see what happens. As a strategy it's worked before...
Dids - crap timing indeed to hurt your hammy then, if only you'd kept your trap shut re the perfect campaign existing.
PP - taking photo's of Dan from behind ! hand them out to Dans pupils on VLM day.
CD - no ironman so maybe your legs are tired from more running. what summer Tri's are you doing ?
LJ - dont go too mad playing catch up.
SL - sounds like you are fitter to me, got to be a good sign.
CW - what does the AT mean ?
RS - good luck with the fell racing, doesnt appeal to me, I did the Milland Valley Trail race in 2011 and it was downright dangerous belting it downhill unable to stop, some filly broke her collar bone. I bagged a decent campaign in the end, record mileage in March, lots of commuting doubles, 5 midweekers all with ~8M of MP in them and have 5x20, 2x22 and 1x23 bagged.........trouble is I'm now on the bench with the usual campaignly calf issue. Every time I even start to entertain thoughts of quicker than 2:50 I get put back in my 2:5X place, not that its a bad place to be though.
TR - I've entered the Vachery middle in July, and I'll probably do the monster middle at Ely in August, maybe Henley Half in September.
CD - nice, that Vachery race is do-able for me, but might be a bad weekend for me. There's a middle distance taking in the South Downs out of Chichester this year too but its Sept I think. I need something for June-ish for starters.
TR - "what does the AT mean ?" All Time, as in UK rankings for some event since records began. You'll approve of this example.
CW - nice, look at all those times from the 70s and 80s. 30 or 40 years on and no one can run that fast cos less is more and a HRM or gadget tells them to slow down. So you have an All Time ranking at an event ?
Dids - nice one, I'd be doing 3min reps myself this week, looks like we've swapped seats.
Simon.. just back from the Lakes (Wasdale area) and here is my climbing report..
Friday.. Climbed Ingleborough on the way, a bit of snow & a bit windy otherwise no problem.
Saturday.. Illgill Head & Whin Rigg, as above.
Sunday.. Yew Barrow, tackled the steep descent ok then decided to climb Red Peak next door. Higher peak so more snow & ice. Descending from Red Peak across a couple of acres of hard packed snow/ice without crampons was great fun. My Walsh climbing boots did me proud though and I managed not to go ar*e over tit. The second part of the descent was through 2-4ft snowdrifts!
My advice would be.. don't go too high unless you have the right gear for it.
Monday.. a pleasant walk around Muncaster fell, soggy in places.
I will now attempt a read back.
SL - My HR stats are reasonably consistent for races, with typical marathon race HR around 83% max. I think it can be harder to compare for training runs however, because of variance due to volume of training amongst other things, i.e. it's a little harder to get HR up in the middle of heavy training. So 5bpm is quite a small difference to be confident enough to put down to fitness alone. (You might also find that "MP" is run at a slightly lower rate during training than for the actual race, for the same reason - you can get HR up quicker after a good taper.)
Nice early-taper sharpener this evening. 5 x 1k reps with 3 mins/500m jog recovery, all 3:06/3:07.
SL - Re hear rate stuff..... exactly what PP said - always good to be able to add value
( My marathon HR % is around 88% Max but only when fulled tapered and "on it" !!)
Wardi -- good bit of "winter" fell-running there -- Yew Barrow sounds familiar from the BGR route.
TR -- that's the funny thing, the rankings listed by default for me down the right-hand side of my powerof10 profile were never worthy of an "AT" before, but now I'm 183rd fastest V40 parkrun in UK history. I can die happy. (I used to have a great ranking for the peculiar distance of 20K, as nobody much runs it, despite having a poor hypothermic performance in driving sleet, but can't seem to get it to list it now...) Mr Overall is 9th in the AT, any age HM rankings but Jonesy is there in 2nd to Mo's 1st. Obviously he'll be miffed to be knocked down the marathon rankings by LD shortly.
PP -- nice reps, I once scraped a single sub-3 1K in a one-off time trial in one of the two club training sessions I went to when I joined. Whereas you knock out 5 consecutively at almost the same pace in a spot of casual training...
CW - ha ha, 183rd Park runner, thats nearly as good as Dids 9th best ranking.
CRAB - WayToGoYet ? unlike your good self after todays efforts.
TR - As Bob Monkhouse once said "30 years ago my friends laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. They're not laughing now".
I'm proud of my Strava achievement, but in nineteen days time when I'll be the no 1 marathin runner in the UK, even you will be silenced. In fact, I expect you will break down at my feet outside the Red Lion, asking for forgiveness. It shall be granted, of course.
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