For anyone trying to crack the 3 in any marathon anywhere in the world
Ha, I'm with LD. What are people's resting heart rates out of curiosity? Mine jas always been rather low and now hovers around 31 or 32 when I wake up...
Autumn Marathon List:
Abingdon DachsLS21Mr BoatHRTR.. this is your year!Amsterdam TT
Frankfurt Al P WardiKeyboard Worrier
Challenge Henley (there's a bit of a warm up first)Blisters
Dids - Cracking couple of lines.
CW - Love that finish line celebration, looks like you wanted to carry on running.
Lev - mine is around 32
This stuff about the heart gets me confused, surely us marathon runners are less likely to snuff it than say 800m-5K runner because they'll spend far more time over 80%.
Legs all but recovered, think I'll have a jog tomorrow.
Not online yesterday and as there are around 150 new posts I've only skimmed back! Some interesting discussions about pacing, hearts etc. Personally I always prefer to run a few secs per mile faster than goal pace if it means being in a group rather than running alone at goal pace. I don't know if it's the drafting effect or just the psychological advantage of not having to think about pacing/trying, but it just feels easier. My best result over any distance is my HM at Bath, and I certainly wouldn't have got that time if I hadn't taken a bit of a risk and gone with a group for the first half who were going a bit quicker than I'd planned.
Unlike you lot all recovering I did 8x1k last night, starting and finishing each rep at the top of a big hill (very painful). Efforts were just under 3:30 going off every 5 mins (loop was actually 1.05km, so pace closer to 3:15-3:20/km).
In other news, apparently I have the best job in the world (article in the Metro today based on some US research). Doesn't feel that way to me, but I guess I don't really know any different!
Sportaloo - No the New Forest Marathon is not considered a PB course (not flat and with a few off road miles), it is very scenic though. I'll probably be doing the half as part of the prep for Frankfurt, as the start is only 2 miles from home.
TT - Assuming you're planning to do the full NF?
Not got around to the race report for my blog quite yet, but just wanted to say it was great to meet a bunch of fredders at London. Andy D whilst warming up, CW at about mile 2, Lucky Jim from mile 13.5 to 15/16ish, PP at the finish and LD, Jools, Piscator (thanks for the spare beer voucher btw), Lev, CRaB, Marigold, Coro, SL and Postie in the pub. I'm sure there were others too, but it was hard to keep up with the who's who!
HR, if humans as a species naturally did everything in moderation, we wouldn't care that nobody had climbed everest.
Little run yesterday in the sunshine, legs are fine. Richmond half in 11 days will be an interesting test.
Al, just realised you were the new forest bloke running with us (me and a clubmate: two old blokes in green vests) for a chunk of the first half.
I used to get loads of incidents of my heart missing a beat …. It would go beserk sometimes, missing every beat in about 5-6. If I had a heavy night on the Guinness it was especially bad the next day. Don’t seem to get it any more, and don’t believe it’s of any concern.
I also used to have very high blood pressure, and ended up on beta-blockers which I didn’t take to very well and ended up like Jack Nicholson in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (subsequently changed to Ace Inhibitors which were OK). My blood pressure came down a lot with exercise and a different doctor prescribed me as being mis-diagnosed in the first place.
Lowest I’ve recorded my heart rate is 36, but over the last year it seems to be markedly higher at around 40 at its lowest.
'from climbing Everest to landing on the moon?' Even if we gloss over the highly debatable notion of them being a couple of the 'greatest human achievements' - aren't they a bit similar to have picked from all the achievements? Both kind of going up a lot for not a giant leap for mankind.Anyhow I digress. The main point of concern is can someone explain to me how Angelo Dundee lived to 90 given the risks associated with heavy weiht trainers? That's that myth debunked.TT - my dear fellow. No it's not Dan. I'm begining to think you're just pulling my chain now.
As you were.
CD - Yup remember the pair of you well, will say hello next time!
Sporta - have a look at: http://aimsworldrunning.org/Calendar.htm#current. I can see the Loch Ness one in there on the 29th which I believe is flat and quick, but somebody else may know more about it. Not sure about any of the others, but I'm sure some of them will have a course profile on there. New Forest is worth probably around 3mins (+/-) on a flat course imo. Beautiful though.As for downhills, what I found good was to use either a hilly loop and run both the ups and downs hard, or to use just a single hill and run up and down it at a decent effort.
You're on good form LD
Al_P - yep. I like to do a long run about 3-5 weeks out at my MP+20-30s range, so this is ideal at 4 weeks out. Plus I love that race!
CRAB - would I? P.S. Love the Angelo Dundee line!
I think worrying about all this heart rate stuff or getting all negative about it as some people do is a waste of time. We're healthier than Joe Bloggs and therefore, logically, will be less likely to succumb to a whole heap of diseases. This is one comment by one cardiologist when there's a whole heap of evidence to point to the contrary. Why hang on the negative?
Anyway, aside from anything else, if you enjoy it and it makes you feel good isn't that better than going through life in 'vanilla' mode. You don't get medals when you die for who has the best preserved body. As the saying goes: "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW-- What a Ride!"
On that note......... Barrage of bloods done. Osteopath shortly!
Abingdon DachsLS21Mr BoatHRTR.. this is your year!PostieAmsterdam TT
Am looking for flat HM not too far from Oxford (preferably within 30 miles or so) in either late July or early September, any suggestions?
Postie, go the whole hog and go for the Harrow track marathon on 20th July. Guaranteed pancake flat.
TT - You've got me thinking, I hadn't considered using the NF marathon as a training run, I imagine it would be good fun to run it that way. My automatic assumption was to do the HM...
I've not yet put any thought to what my target for Frankfurt will be. My initial feeling is that having done a really good time at London, I am distinctly inclined to not do another hard marathon effort this year. Frankfurt was a back up in case VLM didn't work out, so now I've got some flexibility with how I approach it, but still want to have a good run. It's also going to be a holiday to see friends in Germany so I don't really want to destroy myself running and then suffer for the whole following week!
Postie, have a look at the Maidenhead Half. That will be my pre-marathon Half. Flat, fast, September 8th. I ran it in its inaugural year in 2011 and, ridiculously, ran 1:35, which seems bizarre now. So I am going back on a mission to rectify that this year and run at least 20 minutes faster.
Morning all. Stick me down with the Frankfurt brigade in October. Should be a good 'un.
I second Dachs postie. Maidenhead is a good flat, fast course in early Sept. Good Autumn marathon prep too. I'll be back for my third year this year. See you there Dachs
CD unfortunately I work Saturdays.
Dachs Maidenhead lokks like a goer, will start negotiations with the OH shortly.
Can't say I fancy an Autumn marathon meself! But then I may well be up for a long distance duathlon, so that would be just as much of a sufferfest I suppose.
I see England Athletics have posted up the team results for Sunday ("subject to change pending further investigations" of course!) I'm pretty sure our "B team" would be in 11th place, since we had six runners all inside 2:40, although maybe they don't do it like that. Not that it's worth a medal or anything, but still pretty good going I reckon.
...and congrats to CL's mob, second women's team. Top bombing!
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