Sub 3

For anyone trying to crack the 3 in any marathon anywhere in the world

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30/04/2013 at 15:37
Welcome to strangely Brown and RP.

RP - I have been lurking on this thread for ages and made an appearance after a 3:00:12 marathon at the beginning of March, no sub 3 here either. I am no longer sure whether I lurk / post here because of the excellent advice or because I eventually came across a thread filled with clever / insane / witty / people. Most threads are filled with either or, seldom that you find the whole lot underneath one thread roof.

I did 9 miles this morning with 5 at HM pace. I have decided to postpone my European marathon debut until 2014. November it will be for that sub 3 attempt, better start on those downhill repeats TT mentioned.
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30/04/2013 at 16:06
Couldn't Run A Bath wrote (see)

SB - best forum name we've had for a while.  Congrats.  (Unless your name is in fact Brown.)


Thanks and how I wish I could claim responsibility for it.  My name isn't Brown but the name itself is quite blatantly plagiarised from "Black Adder Goes Forth".  I'm nowt but a common, petty thief.


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Cheerful Dave    pirate
30/04/2013 at 16:13

That Sarah Jane Smith has let herself go, hasn't she?

In running news, 8 miles at random pace today.  Just nice to be out.  Richmond half a week sunday, b*ggered if I'm going to taper/load/deplete/whatever for that one, whatever will be etc.

Welcome to newcomers.  Even CRAB and Dids were sub-3 wannabees once, be careful what you wish for.

Just sayin'.

30/04/2013 at 16:41

was only thinking the other day that you could take PP and CRaBs VLM shorts and make about 3 pairs of proper sized ones.

re-introduced myself to the turbo today. Must be nearly summer as the cricket fixtures are flooding in at the mo.

30/04/2013 at 17:07

SB - We have a (far too distant) history of BlackAdder related posts on here.  Hence why I was so impressed.  I bet Dan A will be too - he was our resident slug balancer that ened up doing a feeble impression of Buster Keaton.

Sadly I have no BlackAdder related photographic tomfoolery.  Might have to post up that picture where I jumped on the end of the Manchester United team photo in Munich at this rate.

As you were.

30/04/2013 at 17:12

Strangely / Penguin

More miles, more quickly, more often - get your 5k time down to below 18.30, your 10k close to 38.00, and your half time down to around the 1.23 mark.  Fair benchmarks, but it's the long runs that will determine whether you make it or not.

CRAB - XLS??  Surely you mean JLS.  Come on, let's see the photos.

Off on hols on Sunday.  Wonder if I can do the Richmond half and still make a midday flight from Heathrow?

Blisters    pirate
30/04/2013 at 17:12

Ah, Sportaloo re-appears. There's a name I recognise. It'll be world record holder Nick the Stick next.

In other news, I seem to have grown a strange affection to the football clubs going through the relegation challenges at them moment. Except I know that I'm not going to get a multi million pound parachute for delivering a 3:25.

30/04/2013 at 17:13

RP - thanks - I had better not DNF now! Sub-3 is my "A" target and I'm going to give it a bash, but what I really want is a GFA time so sub-3h15 is the bottom line.

30/04/2013 at 17:37

Phil is right: rockhopper penguins make me laugh.  Fab nickname and welcome

30/04/2013 at 18:04

Now look here CRAb old boy, 

My claims to fame generally involve me in the thick of the action: beating Monty at golf, nutmegging Nuereker, destroying Ron Hill, standing in for the PM, discovering the existence of the "marathon fade phenomenon" and being the world's 11th greatest runner.  

Unless I've missed something, your's tends to involve nothing more than sticking your head in the corner of a famous person's photo? I'm HAVING to keep the troops entertained with proper brushes with fame....  

As you can't.

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30/04/2013 at 18:30

CRAB: do you need to borrow a razor?

Welcome Strangely Brown Rockhopper Penguin. Just hang around and you will break sub-3 and more. My first marathon  Strangely Brown I had the same experience as you, pace fell off a cliff but aerobically I still felt fine. That was 3:08 at Luton soon after I started posting here, now I am down to 2:51. With your background it sounds like you will have no trouble getting under 3, just carry on running. I think if you want to break 3 you don't need to do lots of speed work, lots on here will tell you its overrated anyway. Likewise with pilates, it depends on how much time you have but to break 3 you just need a good heart and miles on your legs.

Was reading Charlie Spedding's book last night, and found out he always did an overdistance run three weeks out from a marathon. Didn't know he lurked here, sounds like a proper Charlie!

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30/04/2013 at 18:33

Blimey. Five full hours since Rockhopper Penguin appeared and Coro hasn't mentioned he once trekked to the north pole with Richard Attenborough, CRAB hasn't cut and paste his face on a Batman Returns poster, and Wardi hasn't reminisced about a particularly attractive  aquatic flightless bird that he ran with at the York parkrun.

what kind of lukewarm welcome is that?

30/04/2013 at 18:51

Pisc - dont tell Charlie that, although the real Charlie only did the one, not six of them ! I was only telling him (the not so real Charlie) at the Red Lion that Jonesy didnt do 27M training runs, but he did do a 10+10 commute on a Monday to back up his 20M Sunday long run !

30/04/2013 at 19:10

Welcome to Strangely and the Penguin.

I've just done my first run since London, a 2 and a bit mile jog in which my left knee niggled continuously and even offered the odd touch of pain towards the end. I think I'll now marshall the club race I had planned for Thursday and stick my feet up for another week. Better to be (slightly) injured now then 2 weeks ago!

Impressive track racing and cycling the other day Padams.

30/04/2013 at 19:41

Welcome SB & RP

SB - sounds like a sub 3 will be a case of when not if. You'll get plenty of advice and inspiration on here

My legs are still massively feeling the effects of Sunday. Really enjoyed the experience and despite vowing at the end to never do it again

Felt good at the start and had to hold myself back in the opening few miles. Planned to go out at 6.15 pace. Got to the half way point slightly fast in about 1.21.30 in a group of 4/5 but felt good and decided to push on and get some tome in hand incase I had a blow up later. One of the group (2nd girl overall) came with me and we ran the next 7 or so pretty much side by side steadly overtaking people. Got to 20m in about 2.04 and knew at this point the sub 2.45 target was definitely on. The last 10k though was an awful slog home. The girl I was running with picked up the pace and I couldn't respond and I got passed by a lad I know from the Leeds ParkRun. In fairness he was the only person who passed me after about 5 miles but I wasn't impressed.

Really happy overall to finish in 2.44.15. On the mileage front this year I've averaged 46m per week at an average of 6.48 per mile. Thought it was higher than this but obviously not. Reckon I'll look to enter London next year given I should now be eligible for a Champs start. Just need to find a club to run for

30/04/2013 at 19:42

Strangely Brown and Rockhopper Penguin  - Welcome! Lots of advice already including the best of the lot: stick around. Masses of tips on here, some of which will work for each of you Lots of coffin dodgers on here including fredders like me who did their sub 3 debut aged 47.

Gosh, nearly missed those two marathons at the weekend. Jonny and TB. Well done to both, especialy Jonny on the debut. Superb!

Am keeping an eye on some stalwart training going on my non-VLM'ers incl Padams and TippTopp

Pushed out my first tempo session of my Abingdon build up this pm. Felt good.

Meanwhile ...


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30/04/2013 at 19:49

Nicely paced jonny. You ran the race I was after; about 30 secs in front of me at HM but I finished 3 minutes behind you. I'm sure any club will be happy to  have you.

30/04/2013 at 19:53

Mr Boat fantastic too. Superb. Those are great times.

30/04/2013 at 20:02

HR nice pic but wheres LD?

Jonny sounds like you had the race I tried and failed to accomplish, well done.

6ish commute this morning which was a real struggle at around 7:20 pace.

April stats:

  • 153 miles
  • 17h 33' run time
  • 6'54" av pace
  • 1 pb
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30/04/2013 at 20:17

PostiePostie on the towpath behind perhaps? I chatted to a certain Mr Max Clifford in the 'Green Room,' as they call the waiting room. He had two scantily clad females with him.

Which reminds me about the Cameron photo on the beach from y'day. A while back I followed a tall gentleman in a shiny suit into the R4 Today studios. Normally when you're in the Green Room you get chatting to people there. If they've planned the running order right there will be a mix of people: famous ones like Beyonce and Max Clifford and non-entities like me. Anyway, I've done a fair few of these by now and this tall fellow was the only one who didn't bother talking to the others waiting. I thought he was aloof, arrogant and an awful long way up his own posterior.

So I went back and phoned William Hill to see what odds they'd give me that the then Shadow Education Secretary would be the next Conservative leader. They rummaged around and came back with 16-1. I must be one of the few people in Britain to have made money out of David Cameron.

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