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Cheerful Dave    pirate
14/06/2013 at 13:54

It would have been Tom Watson at the open a couple of years back but he missed the putt.  What a loser.  It'll have to be LD at Chester when he gets 2:35.

Normally my scepticism about new shoe fads is only marginally behind LD's views on physios, but Sweatshop were giving me a free pair of shoes so it seemed rude not to pick the most expensive pair and try the adizero boost ones.  8 fast-paced miles this lunchtime later, what's the verdict? 

Apart from looking like they're made from old ceiling tiles, they're pretty good.  Felt pretty much the same as my race shoes of choice. 

Did they boost my run though?  No, they didn't.  A decent enough shoe but at £110 they're getting on for twice the price of my Wave Ronins (that's at full whack, I got my last pair for £20).

Unless they last twice as long then they're not worth the premium over other shoes just as good but a lot cheaper.  Since I've got Ronins from 2008 still getting used I can't see that happening.  If it does, I've already got the only pair I'll ever need.

14/06/2013 at 15:05

CD - I'm still haunted by Tom Watson's near miss. Don't think I've ever been as gutted with a sporting finale (possible exception when Mark Hughes equalised in the last minute v Oldham in a cup semi in the early 90s).

CD (again) - I've been buying my trainers in bulk, since I was able to get the last remaining Mizuno Precision 12 at half price. Recently bought some 13s now that there's no 12s anywhere and I really shocked myself as I can't help thinking they are utter shit. Surely there can't really be a difference can there? Got to be in me head?

HR - a mistake anyone could have made.

14/06/2013 at 15:17

Al_P - that sounds positive! Maybe a heel lift would work just as well as orthotics in such a situation? It (heel lift) is something I've been considering as apparently I have a slight leg length difference anyway (i.e. irrespective of the back issues). Having said that though I could see how it could potentially affect the achilles too, but not sure if the orthotics would have the same effect......... If I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure Jools has/d orthotics (as well as, presumably, a few more on here), so she might have some thoughts/advice on them.

CW - step away from the keyboard.........

14/06/2013 at 15:25

CD - I've got a pair of those Adidas Boosts, I also quite like them, I don't buy into the whole Energy Boost gimmick.. but they do feel nice underfoot, my only gripe with them is their weight, as I'm only a lightweight (64kg) my Boost trainers weigh about 300g which for me is too heavy for longer runs, anything up to 10 miles is fine, but from there, my legs start feeling more fatigued than they should, I've bought a pair of those Nike Flyknit Lunar1, as they are apparently more cushioned but still really lightweight at 220g, hopefully they be more suited to longer runs, I'm yet to try them out though, they are also luminous green so bound to make me run much faster!

14/06/2013 at 15:29

Also I emailed the Brighton Marathon organisers, and told them I'd now got a place at London and wasn't doing Brighton and they've given me a full refund! Surprising bonus!

14/06/2013 at 15:41

Al: I've had orthotics for 8 years, although I don't use them in spikes or racers.  Mine are for pronation rather than leg length discrepancy (and I'd be surprised if you need them for only a few mm of discrepancy; I can't remember where I read it, so it may be b*ll*cks, but I'm pretty sure most people have a slight leg length discrepancy).  They take some getting used to because by their nature they're forcing your foot into a different position, so I did get blisters at first, but haven't had any issues from them in ages.

14/06/2013 at 16:20

Oliver that's v decent of them. Bet you wouldn't have got the same treatment the other way around.

LD I was only teasing!

CW I've been choking back a little worry re. your shin, only because you're such a great runner and spooking others on here's bad practice but you've had me concerned. It's only because I ran through a shitty shin for a while and nearly SF'd it. It's probably nothing of the sort, but may be worth getting a MRI?

Blisters    pirate
14/06/2013 at 17:37
Joolska wrote (see)

I did have blisters at first, but haven't had any problems from him in ages.


I don't actually remember. How was it for you?

15/06/2013 at 11:03

HR -- yep, I'm going to be jolly sensible and not run for a days, and if it's stil achy after that (suggesting I've really done some damage this time) I'll go to my GP and see if I can get referred for tests to figure it out.

Blisters -- Jools will have you, alright, but only for flagrant misquoting

15/06/2013 at 11:40

CW - I'm with TT step away from the keyboard. Although you ran 22M last weekend so cant be injured IMO. However, putting your trainers away for a few weeks would probably do your body the world of good.

18M for me today

15/06/2013 at 12:02

Cor 18M out of VLM training is big too, TT, anything special looming?

15/06/2013 at 12:19

More Jamaican athletes testing positive. Now there's a surprise. Aren't they just really good for some inexplicable reason?

As(afa) you were.

15/06/2013 at 12:32

Indeed. IIRC Merlene Ottey made some remarkable improvements at the end of the 1980's.


Blisters    pirate
15/06/2013 at 14:49

Dey say my Jerk seasoning is a secret recipe, monn. I got dem special leaves an' all.

15/06/2013 at 19:13

CW - I presume you meant TR and not me?

CRAB - I'm only surprised that so few of them have tested positive so far. Much like the Kenyan marathoners where the clean ones are getting quicker and quicker and beating those nasty 2nd-rate athletes who are doping...........

HR - that would be the same Merlene Ottey who failed a drugs test, had it thrown out on a technicality, and was still competing at the top level internationally at the age of 52? Nah, I'm sure those improvements (early-mid 90s when she dropped under 11s) were all achieved cleanly

 13+ this morning with 10+ steady as I swapped my Saturday rest day to Sunday means I have done 133.99 miles in the last 7 days (120.43 for the 6 days this week). Biggest mileage for me for over 3 years, and I feel like I'm getting stronger week on week, so that will do for now.

15/06/2013 at 21:50

TT - I cannot comprehend that level of mileage

15/06/2013 at 22:13

CW - special things looming in our house at the mo included y'days maths GCSeE todays adult 2nd team game for my oldest lad, and a County Cup semi for the youngest on Tuesday. Nothing on my radar at the mo. The 18M is towards the better level of year round running I promised myself, so I dont have to play catch up so much in Dec and Jan. However I'm still failing a bit as the 18M was over 50% of my weekly miles.

TT - good one on feeling strong, thats a good sign. Feel pretty tired myself at the mo, but lots of long days to cram it all in at the mo.

gave up on the Jamaican sprinters ages ago when they started clean sweeping all the distances at both sexes.

15/06/2013 at 22:15

CW - just remembered - I have a number for the Midsummer 5 on Wednesday that includes a lap of the Goodwood Motor racing cct, wonder if I need slicks or wets ? Usual C priority though, maybe even D as I might have done quite a bit of training by evening time.

15/06/2013 at 23:17

Great to see TT back in the big mileage club.

Sympathize with CW on the possible injury and not knowing if it is an injury. We all know we shouldn't run injured but I'm usually not sure.

More to come on the sprinters I fear. Maybe I don't keep up but some seem to go quiet then pop up with great results.


16/06/2013 at 07:24

Sorry TT, a bit of finger trouble there, I did mean TR (second short race in a week or two, it's becoming a habit...). And (T *T*) that mileage is phenomenal!

Thanks CL, looking back in my diary I realise I've been struggling on with the dodgy leg for 7 weeks. If I'd known that 7 weeks ago, I'd have had a month off and been 3 weeks into fresh training by now... Anyway, resting up for a bit still, and last night I found yet another tight patch to massage away, a strip in fact running down the outer edge of the calf, though it may be unrelated.

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