Sub 3

For anyone trying to crack the 3 in any marathon anywhere in the world

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11/11/2013 at 16:28

Dan - I think early season cross country might have caught a fair few out yesterday, the guy in front of me lost a shoe into the New Forest bog pretty much as soon as we stepped off the hard stuff from the start and I heard several loud voices cursing shoes, laces etc... from behind me!

PP/SL - I was hoping to be on the mend in time for the Hants Road Race fixture at Gosport this Sunday, but going on previous post marathon marathon experiences, I fully expected to just be getting round the course for the club. Now hopefully will be giving it some beans, but not sure what the result will be! Got a 10k the 2nd weekend in December and then a week off in Switzerland  with the family, plan is to then cruise over Christmas and pick things up for London in early Jan.....

Speaking of which, think I might have sorted the outline of VLM training/racing for 2014. Speedy stuff to start with, tergating the Bath Half for a good crack at my PB, then 4/5 weeks of marathon sessions and a 2 week taper. There's a bunch of lumpy 10milers (Ryde/Lytchett Manor/Salisbury) as part of long runs and a couple of 10ks thrown in for good measure (Stubbington & Eastleigh).

11/11/2013 at 16:30

That's a good chunk of quality Al_P.

It might be different if I raced more (or didn't train through all non-mara races) CW. I've only run 3 races this year, and 5 last year. Pleasingly though, my 3 races from this year (including the Maidenhead one which doesn't appear on there as it was ARC), would all be in my top 5.

Incidentally, Howard Grubb, he of one of the most commonly used online WAVA calculators, holds two of our club records - 10m (52:25) and HM (69:24).

11/11/2013 at 16:55

CD - didn't wear the hat to run in (only to and from the venue).  I was only in mid-pack, 5th scorer for our club.  Couldn't even catch up with a guy who I'd normally beat by 4-5 mins over a parkrun. My clubmate of usually similar standard finished 13th.  I didn't fall over, although I did have to hang onto the trees to turn corners.  Good to debut with a slow run though; means I can only improve.

Anyone seen this thread on General Running?  There's a lad who did his first race in (a very respectable) 80mins at the Ealing half, but is now convinced he'll be the first to break 2 hours for the marathon.  Ambitious to say the least.  Quite a funny read if you skim through.

11/11/2013 at 17:10

Jamaican athletics: one giant stenching cesspit


11/11/2013 at 17:38

I needed 12mm spikes yesterday: if the mud is this bad already I dread to think what it'll be like by February.  Better buy some 15mms...

11/11/2013 at 18:51

CD - Rowing ! were you the cox ? The NADbuster sounds as wet as I remember it !

PP - Hywel Towel doesnt target many run races, he's more of a biking, rowing and IM type. He's targetting IMUK next yr so will be concentrating on that.

CW - i noted that you had moved on from the leg niggles. A temporary lull ?

AL_P - see you at Gosport then (and Stubbington and Salisbury). Nice one on the BAC sessions, when they have drawn up the Tuesday VLM sessions can you give me the nod please.

just a bike commute and a swim today, feeling pretty smoked and I want to have an easy week before Gosport.

11/11/2013 at 19:37

CW - concur about the bugs doing the rounds. A pilot friend of mine flew into London last week and got something very like your description

Bufo nice x-country and hurdling. From yours and other comments e.g. Padams that's good competition

PP - some good x-training coming from you. I thought 'ergs' are supposed to be fantastic for workouts?

CD - as others have said, good to see you back at it

Nice speed TT. Love the way you jumped to something quicker and the podgy Marigold is an encouraging thought. He will doubtless look wraith-like again come London.

Al_P excellent 6th place by you there and great mixed training.

SL - tempting to go x-country with your enthusiasm over the X-talons. Sounds great.

Toro - good one with the hedgehog. And the running!

Nice training TR. With a bit of easing down will be great to see what you achieve.

I didn't think parkruns counted for records?

11/11/2013 at 19:47

I did some really muddy XC on Stafford Common years ago in football boots! Worked quite well.

Even mo has a Park run time (15:06)!

11/11/2013 at 19:55

HR - another sub 80 hopefully. The weather will have a big effect on the time, this one is coastal.

11/11/2013 at 20:23

Here's hoping TR. Could be a cracker.

Oh didn't realise that about parkruns. Have updated it. Ho hum.

Just signed up for the Reading HM. One of the sites said it's filling up fast so no more faffing. Hope to make that a decent pb target.

Edited: 11/11/2013 at 20:37
11/11/2013 at 20:47

HR -- I didn't say anything about bugs going round, that was someone else's suggestion. I was having fun devising a theory of why one might get abdominal cramps from running without any bugs... probably makes no sense though. TR -- I'll let you know tomorrow; my pantomime of niggles can't go on forever, surely...

11/11/2013 at 20:51

CW - you had moved from leg niggles, to tummy niggles. I'm confident that you'll be back on the leg ones pretty soon.....until the VLM big miles toughen you up again !

Edited: 11/11/2013 at 20:51
11/11/2013 at 21:08

CW ya sorry for the syntax then. I meant I concur (with TT) that it could be that?

11/11/2013 at 21:56

That sounds like a good racing plan Al_P. What approach are you taking? Canova again with some of the BAC sessions in there?

Dan - I'd spotted that a while back. Some quite funny stuff on there the last I looked.

Fingers crossed for good weather for you for Sunday TR and Al_P.

I bagged my first 20m since Amsterdam at lunchtime today. Nothing fancy (8 easy/12 steady - avg: 7:20), but good to have it done. Unusually that's about 25-30s per mile quicker than my usual first post-mara long run. Even in my current heavy and unfit stage running just feels easier and more fluid. Long may it last!

A bit tired now, but given that, until Saturday, my longest post-Amsterdam run was 10m and I've now gone 12/12/20 that's only to be expected.

Edited: 11/11/2013 at 21:57
12/11/2013 at 08:01

Good luck for Sunday TR and Al_P. 

Nice training TT - what was your Amsterdam time?

Dan - Yes very funny thread, I like that it's hard to tell who's trolling who or if they're serious!  Any news on other (non-clothing products) such as caps, wristbands or similar?  I know you were looking into them.

I pulled out of Gosport and transferred entry as I realised 3 weeks post marathon it wasn't a great idea for what I wanted to achieve.  I hoped marathon training would go better to give me a shot at 1:15 but no chance of that so running it would not achieve anything productive.  I also have to be clever with childcare and it'd be pointless burning a childcare chit for a 'C' race. 

Just got a Garmin FR 620.  I'll see how much faster it makes me at lunch!   

12/11/2013 at 08:08

Padams - Seville is meant to be a nice Feb marathon.  I want to do Tokyo one year as a family holiday as that must be an amazing place to run (Feb too). 

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12/11/2013 at 08:57

TR - bloomin' cheek!  I had a bit more weight then and generally rowed at stroke or 2, at a very modest level but it was good fun in the summer.  Less so in the middle of winter but that's when the hard work was done focussing on the Head of the River on the tideway in March.

12/11/2013 at 09:14

TT - Nice return to longer endurance running! I had a good read through the Squires material you put together, thanks for doing that, it's a very interesting approach. For this spring though I'm probably going to stick with the general Canova type schedule. As Marigold has eluded to in his latest blog post the intention is to have a sub 2:30 group at VLM, as we've got a good bunch down this way who are around that mark currently. No specifics yet but it's likely to be the 3 sessions a week speed phase followed by 2 sessions/wk marathon phase, the exact ratio of each will probably be down to what race people want to target mid schedule. I'll only do one BAC run per week in the speed phase, so might dabble with some of the Squires workouts for the other weekend hard workout and on Sunday long runs. I'm also not going to do any 20 mile races and try doing the 10 milers hard instead with miles before and after.

TR - Yup hoping for decent conditions on Sunday, but not too fussed if it's rubbish, as it's a county fixture so we'll all be in the same boat from a club racing perspective. See above about BAC plans, I'll keep you posted!

Toro - Cheers! Envious of the new Garmin, sounds like they've added in lots of features which were commonly thought to be missing from the 610

HR - Marigold's podgy-ness is entirely relative....he was still leaving 99% for dust by the end of the reps last week

12/11/2013 at 12:19

Glad to hear you're going nicely TT.

Al_P -- I think your club could earn a bit of extra money with the best-selling "BAC training plan", subtitle "How I became a bleached-hair running god"

Toro -- I'll be interested to hear about the 620. Did you get the optional "HRM-Run monitor" (TM)?

CD -- as Jools will also testify I think, coxing in mid-winter is seriously cold...

HR -- I hadn't thought of a bug in advance, but my Mrs had a slightly dodgy tummy yesterday, so maybe. I'm back to normal today, anyway.

Ran to work quite comfortably today, so hopefully the niggle pantomime is in its final scenes. Newly-discovered ycling muscles: still a bit sore; back of thigh: apparently fine now; top of foot: symptomless yesterday, but did come back a bit running today. Tedious eh?

12/11/2013 at 12:56

Toro - 2:27:48. First impressions of the 620?

No worries Al_P. I wanted to put it in a spreadsheet anyway as it's easier to find the sessions I'm supposed to be doing than trying to remember where I put the book It'll be good to see how you find the workouts if/when you do them. I love the surge long runs, though I didn't necessarily do them exactly as he has them in the book, more on what felt right at the time.
I just need to consider now how I'm structuring the sessions this time as I'm looking at two main races, so will probably look at the last 12 weeks of the marathon one for after Reading, but not sure for beforehand yet. I'm also hoping to use some of the structure/workouts of his method in actual practice, aka the other spreadsheets (as opposed to the theory of the book), e.g. more frequent hill sessions.

CW - I've probably already mentioned it, but just in case...... have you tried elastic laces or changing your lacing pattern on your shoes? Could it be something like that causing your top of foot issues?

Edited: 12/11/2013 at 12:57
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